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#21 DEVIN

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 11:36 PM

Nice tip, thanks.


hey guys! thanks you all for your replys and the great!!!! Advice. i currently am using a centerpin combo [( THANKS for the reel despotiko its great)] and am practicing my shotting patterns. i pick up my roe from the local bait shop in multi color sacks i will take some common adive from this thread and use some red. i purchased a variety of small powerbait worms with a size 12-14 hook.

currently im fishing at the credit (no wonder no bites :P)

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 11:51 PM

credit is tough but with patience and lotta leg work u will be rewarded.
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Posted 26 October 2011 - 11:59 PM

Yep that's pretty much it but I tend to stay away from using a bead knot as it weakens my leader. Try using a toothpick, stick it in the bead while your leader is threaded through and break off the ends. Much easier and allows you to move the bead around. Another little tip is to soak the toothpick in red food colouring, looks like like a blood dot when broken off in the bead.



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Fishing beads are becoming a staple in every Steelheaders arsenal of tricks to fool trout into taking the bait. Some anglers take it one step further and use the bead on every set up to act as an attractor to whatever is tied on at the end of the hook; be it a fly, spawn sac or jig.

Last fall I really put them to the test and when an egg bite would be on, they held up just as well to real trout and salmon eggs. Beads can be used in most any type of condition but they tend to shine in faster to moderate flows. I find that using beads in slow water gives the fish too much of a chance to inspect the bait. In slow moving pools or frog water (estuary water), I tend to sway towards using the real stuff. You can use them fly fishing or float fishing; doesn’t matter, they work both ways.

There are 2 main ways to rig a bead. 1) pegged with a rounded toothpick and trim the tag ends or 2) Tie it on with a bead knot (see http://www.fish307.c...tbeadsknot.aspx). The trout beads that I particularly fish with the most are in fact Trout Beads (www.troutbeads.com). They have so many colours and sizes. You can also make them yourself; just find some jewelry beads, dye the beads the way you want. It’s actually quite simple to do if you have the time.

Next time you’re out, give them a try. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at the results.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 12:11 AM

Yep that's pretty much it but I tend to stay away from using a bead knot as it weakens my leader. Try using a toothpick, stick it in the bead while your leader is threaded through and break off the ends. Much easier and allows you to move the bead around. Another little tip is to soak the toothpick in red food colouring, looks like like a blood dot when broken off in the bead.




ALTMAR, NY- Matching the hatch on Salmon River and other Lake Ontario tributaries to catch steelhead and brown trout likely means fishing with salmon eggs. They can be harvested eggs wrapped in colored cheese cloth or imitation egg flies and lures. In the fall and winter, steelies and browns like to munch on fish eggs like they were white-chocolate bon bons, and good egg matches lead to increased catch rates.

On a recent trip out of Fox Hollow Salmon River Lodge, near Altmar, three New Jersey anglers used baits known as Trout Beads to match the hatch. Trout Beads are nifty plastic copies of the protein-rich, oily fish eggs. They can be purchased at local tackle shops, but the widest selection and most useful instructions for using them can be found at www.TroutBeads.com.

To set the Trout Beads on the fishing line, guides Jim Jones and Dave Paro used toothpicks and number eight hooks.

"Slide a bead up the line and then tie a hook on the end of the line," said Jim Jones of Extreme Fly Fishing Guide Service. "Then take a toothpick and jam it into the bead hole to secure the bead about 1½-3 inches above the hook. Clip off the excess tooth pick and you're ready to fish."

"The fish see the bead floating down the river just like fish eggs will do," said Paro, owner of Dave's Executive Guide Service and Looney Bin Lodge. "And when the fish bites, it gets hooked in the jaw almost every time."

The Trout Bead website has directions for tying a special knot to eliminate the need for using toothpicks: The line is threaded twice through the bead, creating a loop, and the tag end is wrapped several times around the loop. Pulling the line ends tight, a knot is created that holds the bead in place.

Most anglers fish the bead below weight-sensitive strike indicators, like Raven Balsa Floats, using split shot to weigh down the bait. Jones prefers to use a series of split shot, spread small to large, between the bead and the strike indicator.

New Jersey anglers Nick and Mike Margaronis and their buddy Mike Noonan fished with bead heads and egg sacks. The hot bead colors were Peach Fuzz and Peach Pearl. These colors closely matched the real eggs that were easy to see wedged between the rocks on the dark brown and deep green colored river bed.

Fishing with noodle rods and spinning reels, the slightest unnatural movement of the strike indicator was reason to believe a fish was on the line. Short drifts with a minimum of line extended maintained the oomph needed in the rod for good hook sets.

Silver and red, bright-colored steelhead love to jump out of the water when they are hooked and their battles can be lengthy on light tackle. These beautiful fish, and their cousins, the brown trout, stay until spring in the Lake Ontario tributaries. Anglers fish for them all winter long.

Originally Published: 11/16/2008
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 12:21 AM

I have used pickling salt and had them become nice an hard, but still popped when hook goes in it. But this time I couldn't get them to turn out the same. I blame it on the salt. I could not find actual pickling salt. Sooooooio my question is, does anyone know where I can find it?
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 12:34 AM

I have used pickling salt and had them become nice an hard, but still popped when hook goes in it. But this time I couldn't get them to turn out the same. I blame it on the salt. I could not find actual pickling salt. Sooooooio my question is, does anyone know where I can find it?


Most Big Grocery Stores carry it.

Question:

Many pickle recipes I have call for "coarse" salt. Is coarse salt and canning/pickling salt the same or can be interchangeable? I'm often confused about this. I always try to buy exactly what the recipe lists. I have a dill pickle recipe that requires canning/pickling salt. Then, I have a recipe for sweet pickles that requires "coarse" salt for soaking. Can I use canning/pickling salt for both recipes or different salts?!!! So confused about these terms! Any help is certainly appreciated!
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pickling salt = canning salt = canning and pickling salt

Pickling salt is similar to table salt, but lacks the iodine and anti-caking additives that turn pickles dark and the pickling liquid cloudy. Pickles made with table salt would still be good to eat, but they wouldn't look as appetizing.

Pickling salt is available in large bags or boxes in supermarkets, but it's hard to find in cities. In addition to pickling or canning with it, you can also use pickling salt just as you would ordinary table salt, though without the anti-caking agents it may get lumpy if exposed to moisture. To prevent lumps, put a few grains of rice in your salt shaker. To get rid of lumps, spread the salt on a cookie sheet and bake in an oven.

Don't substitute reduced-sodium salt for pickling salt when making pickles.

Substitutes:

coarse kosher salt - Kosher salt is preferred over table salt for canning and pickling. Like pickling salt, kosher salt is free of iodine, which can react adversely with certain foods. Some brands of kosher salt contain yellow prussiate of soda, an anti-caking agent, but unlike the anti-caking additive in table salt, it doesn't cloud pickling liquids. The only drawback to using kosher salt for pickling or canning is that the grains are coarser and flakier, and can't be packed as tightly into a measuring cup as pickling salt. This raises the risk that the salt won't be properly measured. To get around this problem, measure by weight instead of volume. Since it's not as dense as pickling salt, you'll need to use more, but how much more varies by brand. 1 cup + 2 tablespoons of Morton Kosher Salt = 1 cup Morton Canning & Pickling Salt. For other brands, it's best to measure by weight rather than volume.


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Posted 27 October 2011 - 11:46 AM

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Hi despotiko, is the bead set up the one where a plastic bead is tied about 2" above the bare hook?


What if you tie your hook onto the leader and then put a single rubber egg on and thread it through past the eye of the hook and knot? wouldn't that work?
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 12:34 PM

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Hi despotiko, is the bead set up the one where a plastic bead is tied about 2" above the bare hook?
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Don't the regs say you can't have a bare hook? You could get charged with snagging.

What if you tie your hook onto the leader and then put a single rubber egg on and thread it through past the eye of the hook and knot? wouldn't that work?

With this set up, if you get approached by a CO, you could always say the bait moved up by itself
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Trout Beads and Their Effectiveness
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Fishing beads are becoming a staple in every Steelheaders arsenal of tricks to fool trout into taking the bait. Some anglers take it one step further and use the bead on every set up to act as an attractor to whatever is tied on at the end of the hook; be it a fly, spawn sac or jig.

As Blair says put something on the hook. Anyone got a bead size in mm/color that works best?
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 02:05 PM

I can't find anything in the regs about bare hooks but I can't wrap my head around how beads work, don't the fish go for the egg? so why have the egg 2" away from the hook and not right on the hook?
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 02:22 PM

I can't find anything in the regs about bare hooks but I can't wrap my head around how beads work, don't the fish go for the egg? so why have the egg 2" away from the hook and not right on the hook?



It works just similiar to a "Hair Rig" setup when catching Carp.
Or a "Stinger Hook" with Walleye fishing.

Look.... I think some confusion starts with the CRAZINESS that happens during SALMON SEASON.
A trout bead setup, Stinger hook, Hair rig are all legitimate presentations and are PERFECTLY OKAY

CO's arent "idiots" out to get ethical and proper fishermen.
Pretty well, as long as your following the rules, seem to know what your doing, targeting fish in a legitimate way.... there NEVER is a HASSEL.

The Regs have some GREY ZONE, and when it comes to ENFORCEMENT... sometimes it could be debated, even more GREY!

However, there is a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between:

1. Walking the Tribs with 60+lb braid, a huge Treble hook, Large sinker underneath , no bait or imitation lure, plastic... bead (SNAGGING SALMON)

then using stinger hooks, hairrigs and trout beads.


PS: The hook is left bare and about 2inches from the bead because: The fish is STRIKING the bead, when it does so, it also inhales the open hook.
Many fishermen unfortunately HIDE their hook within their bait. Sometimes this causes no set.

In most cases it is BETTER to have your hook more "OPEN" to getting the hook set, than worrying about presentation.


Best of luck!
Great to know the rules and follow them, MRN / CO are not out to "Get" ethical fishermen.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 05:54 PM

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Trout Beads and Their Effectiveness
Posted On April 07, 2011

Fishing beads are becoming a staple in every Steelheaders arsenal of tricks to fool trout into taking the bait. Some anglers take it one step further and use the bead on every set up to act as an attractor to whatever is tied on at the end of the hook; be it a fly, spawn sac or jig.

Last fall I really put them to the test and when an egg bite would be on, they held up just as well to real trout and salmon eggs. Beads can be used in most any type of condition but they tend to shine in faster to moderate flows. I find that using beads in slow water gives the fish too much of a chance to inspect the bait. In slow moving pools or frog water (estuary water), I tend to sway towards using the real stuff. You can use them fly fishing or float fishing; doesn’t matter, they work both ways.

There are 2 main ways to rig a bead. 1) pegged with a rounded toothpick and trim the tag ends or 2) Tie it on with a bead knot (see http://www.fish307.c...tbeadsknot.aspx). The trout beads that I particularly fish with the most are in fact Trout Beads (www.troutbeads.com). They have so many colours and sizes. You can also make them yourself; just find some jewelry beads, dye the beads the way you want. It’s actually quite simple to do if you have the time.

Next time you’re out, give them a try. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at the results.



I don't understand fishing with beads. Why have the bead 2" above the hook? Wouldn't you foul hook the fish like that? Why not put the bead at the hook?

Oh, I just noticed that another member asked similar questions above.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 06:02 PM

Re using single eggs; I saw a packet for sale at C. Tire(Berkely, I think) that had orange synthetic eggs with some scent added? Anyone recommend these? Heck, if bows bite on rubber and plastic egg why not use berries from a mountain ash tree and add some scent? (Just a thought)
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 07:38 PM

More impressive responses Blair,you really try to help out your fellow anglers.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 07:40 PM

These beads, they go by "trout beads" at the tackle shop? Also you put em 2inches above hook? Just use a single salmon egg hook?
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 07:48 PM

I know fishermen that have caught trout on the berries you mentioned. The Berkley eggs will definitely work. Normally these eggs are fished right on the hook. If you wanted to fish these like the trout beads you would have to run your hook through the egg and pull about 2 inches of line so the egg would be 2 inches above the hook, then you would have to run the hook again through the egg so it would stay in place and not slide down your line.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 09:01 PM

I have use all kinds of imitation single eggs, but I find the trout beads #1 and the Atlas Mike's Single eggs to work the best. Just my opinion though. But I strongly suggest trying them out. When the waters low and clear they can do the trick.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 09:44 PM

I know fishermen that have caught trout on the berries you mentioned.



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yarn, berries, shrimp, worms, roe, plastics, beads, minnows, flies, nymphs, crayfish, Frogs, Bees, DrangonFlies, Mayflies, Beetles, corn, lures, ....bacon, pork, hot dogs,... bottle caps, bread
The other week "DILLAGA" absolutely blew my mind out in the "FLY" thread with a IPHONE fly.

Pretty well anything that imitates the "Hatch" or Natural Bait available in the water works.
Plus ... a heck of a lot of things we would never believe.

Getting out and trying different things is the Fun part.
How do think all these multiple alternative(s) have come about?

There are certainly some TRIED and TRUE BASICS that I would recommend most stick too...
However, cant wait to see what the future holds in store.

I personnally stay away from most of the SALES/MARKETING gimmicks until I have heard good reviews.
(A fool and his money part easily)

Dont ever forget our little friend: THE WORM (Greatess Bait of All Time)

Good Luck!
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 10:39 PM

try boiling single loose eggs till they get firm and let it sit out for a bit, u can hook em for single presentations
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 10:46 PM

try boiling single loose eggs till they get firm and let it sit out for a bit, u can hook em for single presentations


u do this and u will loose scent
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 11:38 PM

u do this and u will loose scent



I agree 100%!
and it doesnt contradict any previous statements (Variety of baits)

What would be the point of USING NATURAL ROE... if your gonna take away the most important element for it::S C E N T?

Otherwise, just go with all the imitations, added scents etc.
You dont take a REAL WORM and make it into a plastic, you either use one or the other.

I only add SEA SALT / KOSHER SALT/ or PICKLING SALT to my roe, and THATS IT!

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