It was nice to see. I've never seen so many fish pulled before anywhere, I seen with my own eyes Blair. Lol
I heard about it an now seen it ( for this river ). After 7 hours of this I moved outta sight cuz I couldn't bear to see it anymore. Lol. Wow. Ttyl
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Started by Float down, Nov 05 2011 06:38 PM
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:01 PM
Went to Saugeen river. Was a spelly day, got skunked while I see about two hundred fish was pulled out. Argg there were five guys in a spot that must have pulled 80 fish out. All over people were catching. Frustrating to see. But I keep thinking that it's ok cuz these guys been fishing this river for 20 plus years.
How deep were you fishing? Theres a bunch holes on the saugeen where you need to be fishing 10-13 ft deep.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:12 AM
Yeah it was 10-11 feet. It's gonna take a few outings to get use to having to fish with my float that deep. Casting and control. Thing was, I was not in the position to get a good cast or drift. But next time I know. Lol
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:41 AM
Yeah it was 10-11 feet. It's gonna take a few outings to get use to having to fish with my float that deep. Casting and control. Thing was, I was not in the position to get a good cast or drift. But next time I know. Lol
Wasnt there .... so,
Aside from the chance of getting a lot of snags, Bottom Bouncing works extremely well in Deep Water. (No float)
Take in mind, this perspective comes from a NON- CENTRE PIN (Float Drifter).
I dont know the Saug that well. But it does have some great "Sandy bottom" runs.
Perfect for Bottom bouncing.
Food for thought.
PS: Believe or not, I have seen quite a few "Pinners" go to bottom bouncing when needed.
The Whirlpool & Niagara offer the challenge of VERY DEEP drifting as well.
Bouncing Bottom
The northern tributaries of Lake Superior are cold flows, rich with rock. Gravel and sandy spawning areas can be found mixed in with the rocks. These areas are perfect for the beginning stages of steelhead reproduction. In both the big and small rivers these cold, fast, clear conditions are ideal for a bottom bouncing angler. During early spring when water conditions are high and murky I especially like to bounce. I can get the bait down into the strike zone much easier rather than with a float. There are several options to use when bottom bouncing but the most common setup and my first choice is a three-way swivel with a short two to six inch dropper line to a pencil sinker. A two to three foot leader is then tied to the remaining eye on the swivel. When I do plan on bouncing bottom, I always bring 15-20 pencil sinker with me in 1 – 1 ½ oz weight and a set of side cutters. The side cutters are used to trim my pencil weights to the exact size needed for a perfect bounce. A perfect bounce isn’t continuously slamming bottom but it is a rather gentle tap every couple seconds. Your bait is just kind of ticking along bottom, drifting downstream with all the other food. Be prepared to tie a ton of knots. Better yet, start at home before you even go by pre-tying 8-10 inch pieces of monofilament to your pencil sinkers the night before. This will save you one knot each time you break off your sinker lead and trust me that one less knot is nice especially on cold days. The right length for bouncing is in the 8-10 foot range with a soft, sensitive tip and some much needed backbone for turning fish. Reels should have a super smooth drag with a high line capacity for the long, fast runs a steelhead will take. Another asset a quality steelhead reels possess is a high gear ratio. The high gear ratio will help you catch up to a hot fish that changes direction several times at high speed. A Shimano Stradic Fi in the 2500 or 3000 size is a great choice for bouncing and pairs up nice on almost any rod. Bouncing bottom is definitely an art form. It takes a ton of practice but once you get the “feel” down steelhead don’t stand a chance. Superior steelhead are suckers for bounced roe, flies, worms and several artificial baits.
How About A Little Bottom Bouncing?
By Trevor Kugler
Whenever you wet a line in a river in an attempt to catch any fish, whether it's a trout, a small mouth, a walleye, or whatever kind of fish you're attempting to catch, the bottom is your friend. This fact is often overlooked by anglers, and it shouldn't be. My mentor used to say, "If you're not getting snagged, you're not fishing in the right place." I have found this point to be true in almost all river fishing situations. When I say river fishing situations, I'm referring to wading in a river attempting to fool a fish into biting your offering. I'm not referring to sitting in a boat trolling, although that fact was probably self explanatory.
When you are wading in a river doing what I described above, the goal is to have your bait bounce off of the bottom as it flows naturally downstream. And too accomplish this; the angler must adjust the amount of weight that is used. Too much weight and the offering will get snagged on the bottom. Too little weight and the offering will simply float over the bottom as it flows downstream, and look anything but natural. In the second case the angler never gets snagged, but catches very few fish as well. This is the reason that my mentor would say, "If you're not getting snagged, you're not fishing in the right place."
This is exactly why I say the bottom is your friend. Although in reality, the bottom is not only your friend, but also your worst enemy. Because when you go through those stretches when you've gotten snagged and had to break off and retie six times in a row, the bottom seems like anything but your friend.
The important thing to remember is that like most things in life, nothing remedies getting snagged like practice. The more 'bottom bouncing' you do the better you will get at it. And the better you get at it, you will not only get snagged less, but you will also catch more fish. Once you figure out the little nuances of 'bottom bouncing' you wont believe how effective the technique really is.
Bouncing the bait off of the bottom in a river or stream fishing situation is as good a technique as I've ever seen. If you really sit and think about it, it's as natural a presentation as there is. I've been using this technique for years and it flat out works!
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 09:09 AM
Great info blair. When Im fly fishing with nymphs n egg patterns my goal is to tick-tick of the bottom. Of course I will lose flies but thats where the fish are.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 09:53 AM
Thx for the post, Blair. The first article seems to suggest that, if using roe, you shouldn't be putting styrofoam beads or other floaters in the roe bag. I get the impression most bouncers use styrofoam though.
What is 'pencil lead'?
I've been trying bottom bouncing lately but it sounds a bit daunting when it says "it takes a ton of practice' My 'fall back' technique is to use lures but roe fishermen seem to catch more in general. If faced with a really steep learning curve before I an fish bouncing, the temptation to go back to lures becomes irresistible.
What is 'pencil lead'?
I've been trying bottom bouncing lately but it sounds a bit daunting when it says "it takes a ton of practice' My 'fall back' technique is to use lures but roe fishermen seem to catch more in general. If faced with a really steep learning curve before I an fish bouncing, the temptation to go back to lures becomes irresistible.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:12 AM
I hope many of you are out fishing today.... Overcast with bit a drizzle, should equate to a great day..
-Unfortunately... I am stuck at the office...
-Unfortunately... I am stuck at the office...
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:10 PM
really steep learning curve
Welcome to "Life" - Fishing
MOST IMPORTANT THING: - Have Fun!
Unfortunately, some of the "Experts" have lost that (FUN) and tend to be like Vampires - Sucking the Fun out of other's enjoyment.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:21 PM
The reason guys dont post pics of 50 fish when they catch 50 fish, is 46 of those are pretty identical.
I myself only started taking pictures of the first fish, then only take pics of "big fish" from that point on.
I've got hundreds of pics of cookie cutter chrome and salmon.. it just seems like a waste to post it.
On that note.. One from last night
I myself only started taking pictures of the first fish, then only take pics of "big fish" from that point on.
I've got hundreds of pics of cookie cutter chrome and salmon.. it just seems like a waste to post it.
On that note.. One from last night
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 02:16 PM
^Nice Brown! (battled scarred and all!)
I only take pics when I can safely beach the fish without harming it in anyway. I try not to touch the fish very much, if at all and typically unhook or cut-off, using my long hemo's.
I only take pics when I can safely beach the fish without harming it in anyway. I try not to touch the fish very much, if at all and typically unhook or cut-off, using my long hemo's.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 02:33 PM
The reason guys dont post pics of 50 fish when they catch 50 fish, is 46 of those are pretty identical.
On that note.. One from last night
Beautiful Brown Buck! (Port D?)
ps: My "sarcasm" was not directed to you.
I know that you fish the Niagara very successfully - and have been doing so for years. (Certainly not - "Luck or BS")
I also know the Notty / Saug / Pool has been "Hot" lately as well.
So, big days are possible.
There are a "Few" who fish the local GTA TRIBS who "ocassionally" indulge us in their 20/20 days.
Guess I should take it with a "Grain of Salt" ... However, It is "Interesting" to see ...when you know several other Good Fishermen were out the same day and have either no luck or 1-2 fish.
I am not a believer in Coincidence.
*SMILES*
Best to All!
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:09 PM
There's very little magic behind 20+ steelhead days. As the saying goes, "every battle is won before it is fought." It's a little skill, mostly the right location. Put even a novice steelheader in a spot that is loaded with hungry fish, and even he or she will figure out how to get double digit days in a few outings.
These pools of heaven do exist - they are usually off the beaten track, or in some way shape or form, they elude the lackadaisical steelheader. I can't tell you how many times I drove around, how much gas I burned, how many times I arrived to prospective spots only to find a little trickle barely enough to wet your finger. Put in the effort to find these spots, it's worth it. And of course they won't be stacked year round. Some will only be prime for a short period of time. Days, weeks if you're lucky.
These pools of heaven do exist - they are usually off the beaten track, or in some way shape or form, they elude the lackadaisical steelheader. I can't tell you how many times I drove around, how much gas I burned, how many times I arrived to prospective spots only to find a little trickle barely enough to wet your finger. Put in the effort to find these spots, it's worth it. And of course they won't be stacked year round. Some will only be prime for a short period of time. Days, weeks if you're lucky.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:48 PM
Or just drive to New York. The same amount of time it takes me to drive to the really prime creeks out East I can go to the three ring circus on some of the NYS rivers, 20 fish days on the Oak are slow.
I've out grown doing the whole trib/float/pin thing for trout on Lake O, or just burnt out fighting for fishing space. Spent Sunday getting a last ride on my bike stopping and plugging harbours from Hamilton to Niagara, caught a few browns on clown J-11's & jointed Wally Divers, couldn't turn a few pike follows, picked up a bottle of wine and froze my butt riding home in the dark. Not every fish is up a trib, and hardly anybody is fishing the harbours in November outside of Port D.
I've out grown doing the whole trib/float/pin thing for trout on Lake O, or just burnt out fighting for fishing space. Spent Sunday getting a last ride on my bike stopping and plugging harbours from Hamilton to Niagara, caught a few browns on clown J-11's & jointed Wally Divers, couldn't turn a few pike follows, picked up a bottle of wine and froze my butt riding home in the dark. Not every fish is up a trib, and hardly anybody is fishing the harbours in November outside of Port D.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:48 PM
Did anyone go out today or are you all waiting for tomorrow's storm, like me........lol. Suppose to get some rain 2-4 mm Wed night. Prolly not enuf to raise or dirty the tribs.
Anyone been to the east tribs: Rouge, Duffins, Oshawa or Bowmanville?
Anyone been to the east tribs: Rouge, Duffins, Oshawa or Bowmanville?
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:22 PM
I watched a guy go 10/30+ one day on a lake O trib, he was getting a hookup every 5 minutes in some holes.
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 06:24 PM
I watched a guy go 10/30+ one day on a lake O trib, he was getting a hookup every 5 minutes in some holes.
I saw somethign very similar, but every fish was foul hooked
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 09:53 PM
i got skunked today 
was at the credit.
btw i know that i should know this but.. why would heavy rain causing chocolate type water be better?
any info adive would help
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was at the credit.btw i know that i should know this but.. why would heavy rain causing chocolate type water be better?
any info adive would help
thanks
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:48 PM
Chocolate water doesnt necessary mean better. Just have to adjust according to conditions. The only time I do look forward to coffee water is if waters been really low and I know fish are wating to run up or after the ice melts.
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:46 AM
Lost a large steelie yesterday at Bronte. Water was very clear. It hit my trout bead. I had some cheap #12 hook (which I believe was Gamakatsu) that ended up bending! 
Never buying their crap again. I picked up some Reven hooks last night, they seem 10X stronger.
Do you guys have any hook preferences, when it comes to smaller trout hooks?
Never buying their crap again. I picked up some Reven hooks last night, they seem 10X stronger.Do you guys have any hook preferences, when it comes to smaller trout hooks?
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