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[Spinninreel]

Gobies are the new carp these days. I understand why this guy did this thing to the fish even though I do not agree with it.

[Etobicoker]

Gobies are the new carp these days. I understand why this guy did this thing to the fish even though I do not agree with it.

Second that. I was chatting carp with a coworker... He is 65 and said his dad used to cut up carp and use it as fertilizer at the cottage... definitely some carp haters out there!

but i agree very cruel stabbing any fish to die.

[Alfiegee]

It seems this topic has taken a turn towards invasive species, even though that was not the point. The point of the thread was that this fellow committed an inhuman act, which he did. As I said before, disgusting. And to do it in front of other people, just plain sick.
Someone stated earlier that carp have been here for 150 years. They have made N. America their home and have entered almost all waterways. I am of German and Scottish blood, and a 3rd generation Canadian. Does that make me an invasive species? How long does my family have to be here before we are not invasive?
Fish, people, we all bleed red. Only the First Nations People and the Inuit are the true "Native Species" here in Canada. And N. America for that matter. When does the "Whiteman" become non-invasive and if we are non-invasive how did we become so?

Still not trying to start fires.
Carp are here, Gobies are here, Lamprey are here, the earlier mentioned Brown, Rainbow Trout and Pacific Salmon are here, Zebra Muscules are here and God forbid that the Asian Carp or Snakeheads should ever make it to the Great Lakes. They are here to stay, at least with todays technology. Man has been fighting the lamprey since the '70's at least, where has that got us? Everytime I fish Bronte Creek I see hundreds of them. I slip on them in my waders.

Not saying it is a good thing, just saying that's the way life is now.

Alfie.

[NADO]

I dont see any benefit it giving up. It takes very little effort to cut the head of a lamray when you pull it off of the steelhead you just caught. Yes it is only one but if everyone does that sort of thing it does help control the population to a certain degree. Sure brown trout and Chinook aren’t native but they don’t cause the same catastrophic damage to the fishery and aquatic biology that carp cause. Carp populations can explode so quickly and decimate all of the vegetation in an ecosystem. We should continually work on ways to correct the mistakes we made with solutions that do not create new problems. Euthanizing invasives caught by sport fishers is one of the solutions. I don’t understand how an angler can put an invasive species back in the water when they are fully aware of the damage this species causes. There are people who work/volunteer full time to combat invasive species and ensure that our biodiversity is maintained.

With that being said what the angler did was inhumane and he could use a lesson on how to properly euthanize a fish. Sorry to deviate from the topic but I hate seeing these threads go in a direction that promotes Carp as a part of our ecosystem that is here to stay. I will not just give up, these species need to be monitored and maintained. If the government would just invest a certain amount of money every year into electrofishing and removing carp from areas where they are heavily populated then we could actually have an impact. It may be impossible to remove them but it isnt impossible to control them.

[mikeh]

The Royal Botanical Garden here in Hamilton constructed a "Carp Exclusion Barrier" (LOL), years ago to keep Carp out of Cootes Paradise. As a regular at Cootes, I can tell you the reason I typed LOL, it doesn't work. Carp are here to stay.

Carp gates and exclosures only target spawning females above a certain size. They do work well and significantly reduce the survival chances of the next generation which have been forced to spawn in unsuitable areas, while also protecting other species chances of spawning in the protected areas. The gate at Tommy Thompson is a great example of this system at work with lots of Pike in the wetlands and no large spawning Carp getting through.

Overall, a far more preferable solution to control population explosion compared to some @ssh0le stabbing fish in the gills one at a time. Twenty years from now when climate change has devastated the trout fisheries, Carp will have adapted and will still be here.


 

[Spinninreel]

I have a cottage on a small lake in Muskoka and in the 70's some jerk threw in rock bass and for the next 15 years all we ever caught were rock bass. This is so typical of when a new species is introduced that they explode and after a while the population finally balances out. Now once in a while you will still catch a rock bass but you are more likely now to catch a smallie or largemouth. If you look at the carp population in Lake Ontario, I am sure the same thing has happened. This guy is living in the past where they were really concerned that these fish would destroy all the other sportfish in that ecosystem. Senseless killing is never the answer.

[Alfiegee]

Carp gates and exclosures only target spawning females above a certain size. They do work well and significantly reduce the survival chances of the next generation which have been forced to spawn in unsuitable areas, while also protecting other species chances of spawning in the protected areas. The gate at Tommy Thompson is a great example of this system at work with lots of Pike in the wetlands and no large spawning Carp getting through.

Overall, a far more preferable solution to control population explosion compared to some @ssh0le stabbing fish in the gills one at a time. Twenty years from now when climate change has devastated the trout fisheries, Carp will have adapted and will still be here.


 

I hate to keep repeating myself. But I am still not trying to light any fires. Mikeh, I'm not sure where Tommy Thompson is. The "Carp Exclusion Barrier" (LOLOL) is not intended to keep spawning Carp out of Cootes, It is intended to keep all Carp out of Cootes. I regularly go and watch the fish lifts and talk with the people from the RBG. I go to Cootes to fish Cats and Bowfin, but I regularly catch male and female Carp over 20 lbs. I see them jumping all the time. The Barrier, at least at Cootes is a Myth.
Still agreed that stabbing a fish in the gills is an axxhole manuever..

Alfie.

[mikeh]

No, you are right, it doesn't keep them all out. But the gate has had an impact, dropping the population inside from 7,000 to approx 1,000.

  

[MichaelAngelo]

No, you are right, it doesn't keep them all out. But the gate has had an impact, dropping the population inside from 7,000 to approx 1,000.

  

Inside Cell 1!? 7k carp!.... *jaw drops*

[chuckles]

This is rather sick to read makes me mad buddy should have been charged doing what he did wrong in so many ways only reason ever to kill anything is for food thats my two cents

[ChaseChrome]

Dozer flosses carp to sell on Spadina..............

[mcsteve]

Unfortunately there is not a lot you can do when you are at the Riverside others than just express your disgust. I have called the ministry several time re people fishing sanctuary, out of season etc and they just never show up.

I invited a coworker to come along to the credit one year as he had been talking about how he loved fishing and was hoping to get into some bows. The first female he landed he gutted, grabbed the roe, and then tosses her back into the river. I almost lost it! I could not believe it and verbally lashed out at him. I grabbed my stuff and left and let all know what a looser this guy was. If you kill it you keep it. How hard is that to understand?

[NADO]

I invited a coworker to come along to the credit one year as he had been talking about how he loved fishing and was hoping to get into some bows. The first female he landed he gutted, grabbed the roe, and then tosses her back into the river. I almost lost it! I could not believe it and verbally lashed out at him. I grabbed my stuff and left and let all know what a looser this guy was. If you kill it you keep it. How hard is that to understand?

Its funny how the minds of anglers work. I havent come across many people who think its terrible to gut a salmon but when anyone mentiones a steelhead or brown being gutted its the end of the world! To me id like to see a stop to the gutting of all hens wether they are a steelhead, chinook or a brown, they are all non-native stockers and I would like to see the same level of respect for all of them.

[hammercarp]

Dozer flosses carp to sell on Spadina..............

The image of someone trying to floss carp and the ensuing frustration just hit me and I had to laugh.

[beef]

nado i cant agree more and plus there are so many places to get roe and so many baits that work better i use beads and have for about 15 years i will tell you when fished and riged properly they are better than any live bait and if you dont think so lets meet up and have a fish off live bait against beads we will see. if we dont start respecting our resourses we will loose them come on guys lets all do our part and educate the newbies and the ones that just dont get it im always watching people on the river and if i see something done wrong i say something some will listen and learn and others just dont care what can we do we should all get together and pattetion the mnr we need more officers/educators good luck and tightlines

[Rainbow]

If salmon had mouths like carp hardly anyone would get them. Hmmm I wonder why...