Hi,
after mentioning in one of my post that I tended to lose lures, (in the past) mostly due to bad knots. I poked around in the forum but did not find a thread for just Knots so I'll start one here.
I suspect there may well be a few somewhere in the archives & if there is I'll remove this post.
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Knots
Started by BackTrack, Jun 03 2012 02:12 PM
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 03:05 PM
There are some good posts back in November of 2011 *SMILES*
Course it's never a BAD THING to update all fishermen on the IMPORTANCE of a GOOD KNOT!
Thanks for posting a good reminder.
This is a nice article posted in FIELD & STREAM:
How to Tie The Five Strongest Fishing Knots http://www.fieldands...t-fishing-knots
One thing you can’t buy is a good knot. You have to tie iton your own. And while no single knot satisfies every angling situation,mastering a set of the best, one in each of four major categories (terminalknots, line-to-line splices, light-to-heavy line splices, and terminal loopknots), will reduce break-offs and have you fishing more and retying line less.These four knots are the strongest in each category (see "additional info" below for details on how we tested them).
The Strongest Terminal Knot (for tying on a lure or fly)
The Winner: Six-turn San Diego jam: 94%
Also tested:
Palomar knot: 91%
Five-turn double clinch (or Trilene knot): 87%
Five-turn improved clinch: 86%
The Skinny: Because the San Diego jam uses wraps around both the tag end and standing line, the knot has a better cushion and is stronger than clinch knots,which wrap only one strand. The improved clinch owes its popularity to its oldage: It was one of the first knots that worked well with monofilament line, aWWII-era invention. Knots have since advanced -- time to learn the San Diego.(Tied to a size 3 Berkley Cross-Lok snap in tests.)
Light-to-heavy line splice, for tying on thicker lines such as shockleaders.
Winner: Six-turn Yucatan knot
(doubled line): 157%
Also tested:
Five-turn Bristol, or no-name,
knot (doubled line): 148%
Slim Beauty (single line): 94%
Albright (single line): 94%
The Skinny: You can splice lines of dissimilarsize by tying each single line together, which saves time, or by tying the heavier line to a doubled section of the lighter line (made by first tying aBimini twist, for example), which adds strength. For knots that don’tincorporate doubled line, the Slim Beauty and Albright tested strong. TheBeauty is easier to tie. Both doubled-line knots held up better than the singlemain line of mono, so take your pick. The Yucatan is simpler. (Sufix mono wastied to Orvis Mirage 30-pound fluorocarbon in tests.)
Line-to-line splice, for joininglines of similar size
Winner: J knot 67%
Also tested:
Eight-turn Blood knot: 63%
Back-to-back five-turn Uni knot: 62%
Double surgeon’s knot: 61%
The Skinny: When you compress monofilament tightly around avery small radius, it tends to crack and fracture. The J knot wins partlybecause the standing line goes straight through the knot’s initial turns,instead of being quickly forced into a sharp bend as happens with the othersplicing knots here.
Terminal loop knot, for tying on alure or fly that needs freer movement with a loop at the eye. Winner: Rapala knot: 89%
Also tested:
Nonslip mono loop: 86%
Homer Rhode loop: 80%
Five-turn Duncan loop: 60%
The Skinny: The Rapala knot wins because the wraps, whichare ahead of the initial overhand knot, relieve stress where the standing line enters the rest of the knot. Also, line passes through the overhand knot three times, cushioning the standing line. A Duncan loop, on the other hand, puts allof its compressive force on the standing line at the hook eye without addedcushioning. (Tied to an F-9 Original Floater Rapala in tests.)
PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!
Course it's never a BAD THING to update all fishermen on the IMPORTANCE of a GOOD KNOT!
Thanks for posting a good reminder.
This is a nice article posted in FIELD & STREAM:
How to Tie The Five Strongest Fishing Knots http://www.fieldands...t-fishing-knots
One thing you can’t buy is a good knot. You have to tie iton your own. And while no single knot satisfies every angling situation,mastering a set of the best, one in each of four major categories (terminalknots, line-to-line splices, light-to-heavy line splices, and terminal loopknots), will reduce break-offs and have you fishing more and retying line less.These four knots are the strongest in each category (see "additional info" below for details on how we tested them).
The Strongest Terminal Knot (for tying on a lure or fly)
The Winner: Six-turn San Diego jam: 94%
Also tested:
Palomar knot: 91%
Five-turn double clinch (or Trilene knot): 87%
Five-turn improved clinch: 86%
The Skinny: Because the San Diego jam uses wraps around both the tag end and standing line, the knot has a better cushion and is stronger than clinch knots,which wrap only one strand. The improved clinch owes its popularity to its oldage: It was one of the first knots that worked well with monofilament line, aWWII-era invention. Knots have since advanced -- time to learn the San Diego.(Tied to a size 3 Berkley Cross-Lok snap in tests.)
Light-to-heavy line splice, for tying on thicker lines such as shockleaders.
Winner: Six-turn Yucatan knot
(doubled line): 157%
Also tested:
Five-turn Bristol, or no-name,
knot (doubled line): 148%
Slim Beauty (single line): 94%
Albright (single line): 94%
The Skinny: You can splice lines of dissimilarsize by tying each single line together, which saves time, or by tying the heavier line to a doubled section of the lighter line (made by first tying aBimini twist, for example), which adds strength. For knots that don’tincorporate doubled line, the Slim Beauty and Albright tested strong. TheBeauty is easier to tie. Both doubled-line knots held up better than the singlemain line of mono, so take your pick. The Yucatan is simpler. (Sufix mono wastied to Orvis Mirage 30-pound fluorocarbon in tests.)
Line-to-line splice, for joininglines of similar size
Winner: J knot 67%
Also tested:
Eight-turn Blood knot: 63%
Back-to-back five-turn Uni knot: 62%
Double surgeon’s knot: 61%
The Skinny: When you compress monofilament tightly around avery small radius, it tends to crack and fracture. The J knot wins partlybecause the standing line goes straight through the knot’s initial turns,instead of being quickly forced into a sharp bend as happens with the othersplicing knots here.
Terminal loop knot, for tying on alure or fly that needs freer movement with a loop at the eye. Winner: Rapala knot: 89%
Also tested:
Nonslip mono loop: 86%
Homer Rhode loop: 80%
Five-turn Duncan loop: 60%
The Skinny: The Rapala knot wins because the wraps, whichare ahead of the initial overhand knot, relieve stress where the standing line enters the rest of the knot. Also, line passes through the overhand knot three times, cushioning the standing line. A Duncan loop, on the other hand, puts allof its compressive force on the standing line at the hook eye without addedcushioning. (Tied to an F-9 Original Floater Rapala in tests.)
PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 04:44 PM
need a knot go to www.netknots .com and you should have every knot you will ever need.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 06:57 PM
Awesome, great info thanks !
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:53 PM
Personally, I use the a 7 wrap improved clinch knot, the palomar and the rapala for my lures and the blood not and the Albright knot. But I might have to learn a few others. Where do you find all this info Blair? Sounds like a lot of research! Thanks. Cheers.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:24 PM
I use the san diego jam knot for lures and I can tie it quickly and it is a great knot. Here is how to tie it: http://www.youtube.c...?v=0pJh4ZxkyLg.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:58 AM
the San Diego Jam Knot can be seen at netknots.com
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:48 AM
I think the strongest is the UNI knoit, has never failed me.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:55 AM
I personally like the palomar knot
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:55 PM
As staffman said, netknots.com is a great resource.
There are a lot of different knots out there and it can be tough to remember them all and which situations to use them in.
On the website you can purchase small waterproof cards that display all the different knots with diagrams and instructions on how to tie them. I bought one of these and carry it around in my tackle box on every outing. Best few dollars I've ever spent.
There are a lot of different knots out there and it can be tough to remember them all and which situations to use them in.
On the website you can purchase small waterproof cards that display all the different knots with diagrams and instructions on how to tie them. I bought one of these and carry it around in my tackle box on every outing. Best few dollars I've ever spent.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:14 PM
Best knot brother is friendship
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:57 AM
Best knot brother is friendship
Can't argue that!
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 11:46 AM
Lots of knots to know but try to find 2 or 3 that you like/able to tie then try to tie them in low light if you go night fishing. It's easier to learn to tie then during the day and more difficult when there's low light. I just use the improved clinch, from practice I can tie it in moonlight if I forget my miner's light....lol. Practice practice practice. If you got your rods rigged up check the knots before you cast, you may find the knot weakend from the last time you were out fishing. Good fishing all.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:22 PM
I use the palomar or double palomar more then anything. I also use the berkley braid from time to time.
Try this one (not sure if it even has a name, I just made it at home while practicing one evening and it's crazy strong)
Start your palomar knot and feed the loop through the first big loop as per normal. Then holding the small loop and main line with your thumb/forefinger, and spin it six or 7 times, then, feed the rest of the small loop through the loop just above the line tie on the lure. You end up with a loop to trim, plus a tag end to trim, but when you tie it properly and wet it before cinching, it's incredibly strong
Try this one (not sure if it even has a name, I just made it at home while practicing one evening and it's crazy strong)
Start your palomar knot and feed the loop through the first big loop as per normal. Then holding the small loop and main line with your thumb/forefinger, and spin it six or 7 times, then, feed the rest of the small loop through the loop just above the line tie on the lure. You end up with a loop to trim, plus a tag end to trim, but when you tie it properly and wet it before cinching, it's incredibly strong
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:06 PM
I did a little research and found that a lot of people use the double clinch knot (especially for flurocarbon) because it retains 100% of the line's strength. I'm using it now but have yet to land anything on it. Anyone have any experience/luck with that?
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:13 AM
trilene knot for mono/flouro 100%.
palomar knot for braid.
palomar knot for braid.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:27 AM
I use the trilene knot also. I've never used braid, occasionally I've used fluoro but mostly mono.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:15 AM
I use the trilene knot for terminal tackle. To join braid to mono backing, alberto or double uni knot. Braid to shock, alberto or if I have the time and am targetting big lunkers, FG knot. Word of advice, practice and know a few knots well (i mean well enough to tie in the dark with minimal light) rather than knowing a lot of knots but tying them weak.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:39 AM
I did a little research and found that a lot of people use the double clinch knot (especially for flurocarbon) because it retains 100% of the line's strength. I'm using it now but have yet to land anything on it. Anyone have any experience/luck with that?
i did its the best knot
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:36 AM
I found this site by accident one night looking for "Homemade Lures". It's: http://www.animatedknots.com (Don't know if a Cut & Paste of the address will work on here) ........ if Knot (PEW!) you can Giggle it. 
That's "Home". Choose the Category from Ten in the Heading (Fishing), ALL The Fishing Knots Pop Up, Choose the Knot you want. A window opens and it TIES ITSELF (right or left. NO.I'm not Kidding!) before your very eyes!!
In that window you can choose Fast/Medium/Slow (For guys like me.) on the Top Left. Top Right you can choose Normal/Mirror/Inverted/Rotated. LEAVE IT ON Normal or you'll Really Go Knuts
There's other interestng "Stuff" on there also.
Personally I've been using a "Surgeons Knot Or Loop" for a long time. Now I use a "Double Surgeons Loop".
Tie the Loop Once and you're good for the day. Slide the Pinched end of the Loop through the Lure Eye, Leader, Swivel, Snelled Hook, whatever, Loop it over the "Body", back again to the "Eye" snugg it up, make sure if there's an "O" Ring there it's Not Touching one of the Sharp Ends, Ready to go! Change Lures? Slip it Off. Put the new one on.
So far a 35 Lb. Pike in the 1,000 Islands with an 10 inch Steel Leader, Towing a Mepps Musky Killer didn't break it.
Hope it's of use Folks!
Rick
PS: Just saw the "Insert Link Thing so I'll try it again here: My link
That's "Home". Choose the Category from Ten in the Heading (Fishing), ALL The Fishing Knots Pop Up, Choose the Knot you want. A window opens and it TIES ITSELF (right or left. NO.I'm not Kidding!) before your very eyes!!
In that window you can choose Fast/Medium/Slow (For guys like me.) on the Top Left. Top Right you can choose Normal/Mirror/Inverted/Rotated. LEAVE IT ON Normal or you'll Really Go Knuts
There's other interestng "Stuff" on there also.
Personally I've been using a "Surgeons Knot Or Loop" for a long time. Now I use a "Double Surgeons Loop".
Tie the Loop Once and you're good for the day. Slide the Pinched end of the Loop through the Lure Eye, Leader, Swivel, Snelled Hook, whatever, Loop it over the "Body", back again to the "Eye" snugg it up, make sure if there's an "O" Ring there it's Not Touching one of the Sharp Ends, Ready to go! Change Lures? Slip it Off. Put the new one on.
So far a 35 Lb. Pike in the 1,000 Islands with an 10 inch Steel Leader, Towing a Mepps Musky Killer didn't break it.
Hope it's of use Folks!
Rick
PS: Just saw the "Insert Link Thing so I'll try it again here: My link
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