I have visited some Ontario trout farms recently as I have began selling trout roe. It has really opened up my eyes to the fish farming industry. It's no different than commercial farming for beef, milk or eggs. Fish are enclosed in tight quarters for their entire lives, and fattened to the max with an unnatural diet.
I am legally prohibited from selling any roe other than roe acquired from aquaculture farms. Aquaculture farms make far more profit off eggs that will hatch vs. bad eggs that will not hatch. They have special machines that shine a laser through each individual egg, and the eggs that allow the laser to go right through are bad and separated from the good eggs. The bad eggs are then sold to roe vendors, if the aquaculture farm chooses to supply roe vendors. Most do not, as they do not make very much money from this part of their operation.
Rainbow roe costs anywhere from $20-$30 per pound from an aquaculture farm, and if you're buying a huge quantity, you can buy them for around $14/lb.
Are aquaculture farms a perfect egg source? Considering that breeder fish are kept in extremely cramped quarters for their entire lives, I can't say it's a perfect operation. But from a conservation standpoint, they allow fishermen to use roe without harvesting wild fish.
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Started by salmotrutta, Oct 23 2012 12:48 AM
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:16 AM
Kudo's on the education and awareness Salmo.
More than many others would even care to know or understand.
Funny how the Reality is not as BLACK and WHITE as many would like to make it.
PS: I harvest CHINNY ROE right out of the RIVER (2-3 a year)
70% chance they are stockers... 30% chance they are wild
I take into considerations the fishes life, environment ... the river (ie: Credit, Humber... etc)
What our "American Friends" are doing (Their stocking of Lake O)
and MOST IMPORTANTLY-> SEE FIRST hand what the fish are doing EVERY YEAR in the RIVER.
* I also pay attention to the CHARTER FISHING (Which not too many of our Board "Experts" ever seem to talk about - They just jump on board the yearly "Bronte Slaughter house Chat talk" lol)
I find the FRESH TRIB SALMON (Chinny Roe) 2-3 hens a year... WORKS PERFECT FOR ME, and I have no intentions of changing that.
Nice to see there are other options available.
ps: Almost every other year, I will make my 'Harvest" from Fresh DEAD HENS that I find in the Tribs.
Didnt even have to catch them myself. Nature did the job.
I have twice gone to one of the Processing Stations of the Charter Boats and got roe there as well.
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Read into some of the PROBLEMS caused out west with the FISH FARMS.
The genetic manipulations, poor resistance to Disease .....
It would be great if more "STEELHEADERS" educated themselves on this wonderful sport fish.
Like I reminded our little "INVASIVE PREACHER"..... they are not NATURAL to our ONTARIO WATERS... and with that we must learn there are concequenses..
RAINBOW TROUT are introduced (INVASIVE FISH) to our waters that have gone through many MAN MADE MODIFICATIONS (Not Natural induced)
Good or BAD? I dont know.
More than many others would even care to know or understand.
Funny how the Reality is not as BLACK and WHITE as many would like to make it.
PS: I harvest CHINNY ROE right out of the RIVER (2-3 a year)
70% chance they are stockers... 30% chance they are wild
I take into considerations the fishes life, environment ... the river (ie: Credit, Humber... etc)
What our "American Friends" are doing (Their stocking of Lake O)
and MOST IMPORTANTLY-> SEE FIRST hand what the fish are doing EVERY YEAR in the RIVER.
* I also pay attention to the CHARTER FISHING (Which not too many of our Board "Experts" ever seem to talk about - They just jump on board the yearly "Bronte Slaughter house Chat talk" lol)
I find the FRESH TRIB SALMON (Chinny Roe) 2-3 hens a year... WORKS PERFECT FOR ME, and I have no intentions of changing that.
Nice to see there are other options available.
ps: Almost every other year, I will make my 'Harvest" from Fresh DEAD HENS that I find in the Tribs.
Didnt even have to catch them myself. Nature did the job.
I have twice gone to one of the Processing Stations of the Charter Boats and got roe there as well.
_______________________________
Read into some of the PROBLEMS caused out west with the FISH FARMS.
The genetic manipulations, poor resistance to Disease .....
It would be great if more "STEELHEADERS" educated themselves on this wonderful sport fish.
Like I reminded our little "INVASIVE PREACHER"..... they are not NATURAL to our ONTARIO WATERS... and with that we must learn there are concequenses..
RAINBOW TROUT are introduced (INVASIVE FISH) to our waters that have gone through many MAN MADE MODIFICATIONS (Not Natural induced)
Good or BAD? I dont know.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:00 AM
Most farmed rainbow trout in Ontario end up in Manitoulin Island fish pens. There would be a lot of escapees there.
These fish are designed to swim thousands of miles throughout their lives, and they are confined in extremely tight spaces. It's not a pretty sight. But commercial fishing operations exist solely to make a profit.
Another tidbit that some may not be aware of, is that the sale of worms is unregulated. Anyone can harvest and sell worms.
These fish are designed to swim thousands of miles throughout their lives, and they are confined in extremely tight spaces. It's not a pretty sight. But commercial fishing operations exist solely to make a profit.
Another tidbit that some may not be aware of, is that the sale of worms is unregulated. Anyone can harvest and sell worms.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 06:42 AM
Thanks for sharing that. Never knew you could get roe from aquaculture farms. I wonder what happens to the escapees...
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:57 AM
Thanks for sharing that. Never knew you could get roe from aquaculture farms. I wonder what happens to the escapees...
If you're lucky, they will end up in your hook...all grown up and sexy.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:16 AM
There are spots you can fish near the farms to catch escapees. I don't see much point in doing this, unless you're from the area and aren't able to find your own spots for some reason.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:20 AM
There are spots you can fish near the farms to catch escapees. I don't see much point in doing this, unless you're from the area and aren't able to find your own spots for some reason.
I would fish near a fish farm for escapees....
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:07 PM
A fish is a fish is a fish isn't it? A wild fish is stimulated to swim 1000s of miles by food & reproduction drive by instinct /nature if not necessary to do so there is no drive. Animals do not reason like humans .
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:38 PM
Humans are animals, this is self-evident, to me at least it is.
But with respect to the treatment of living things on this planet, there are no birthrights, whether you're a fish, homosapien, cow or goat. I am just reporting what I saw at fish farms in Ontario. They were like birds in a cage. I prefer to see fish farmed to a certain small size, then released into streams, ponds, or lakes to grow bigger. Unfortunately, some fish live their entire lives in extremely tight quarters. But I realize that this is currently a very viable commercial solution for the raising and selling of fish.
But with respect to the treatment of living things on this planet, there are no birthrights, whether you're a fish, homosapien, cow or goat. I am just reporting what I saw at fish farms in Ontario. They were like birds in a cage. I prefer to see fish farmed to a certain small size, then released into streams, ponds, or lakes to grow bigger. Unfortunately, some fish live their entire lives in extremely tight quarters. But I realize that this is currently a very viable commercial solution for the raising and selling of fish.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:09 PM
Like I reminded our little "INVASIVE PREACHER"..... they are not NATURAL to our ONTARIO WATERS... and with that we must learn there are concequenses..
Thanks for another shoutout.....clearly you dont know how to read. I have made multiple comments about rainbows, browns and chinooks being non-native as well as arguments for some of them to be considered invasive. So please stop spreading misinformation, I wonder how many other posts I might find from last night that reference me?
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:13 PM
Parry Sound, on teh Island yopu have to pay 10 buck for a permet but you fish for the rainbowsThere are spots you can fish near the farms to catch escapees. I don't see much point in doing this, unless you're from the area and aren't able to find your own spots for some reason.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:40 PM
Hoping to finish tying soon, so far I have just been selling loose rainbow roe:
Will post an update once I am finished tying, and maybe some lucky forum member will be drifting with these eggs soon!
PS. Mike @ Fishheads and I have already discussed the buying/selling of roe in Ontario, we are not at odds with one another, quite on the contrary. Roe is scarce at the moment and we are both helping one another, not standing in each other's way.
Will post an update once I am finished tying, and maybe some lucky forum member will be drifting with these eggs soon!
PS. Mike @ Fishheads and I have already discussed the buying/selling of roe in Ontario, we are not at odds with one another, quite on the contrary. Roe is scarce at the moment and we are both helping one another, not standing in each other's way.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:42 PM
Do you need a license or some sort of permit to sell it?
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:44 PM
pretty sure u need a permit to sell roe.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:53 PM
This is good. I hope more people purchase their roe rather than kill wild steelhead for it. Loose roe is fairly cheap 
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:02 PM
Lets not start again gentlemen...
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