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Today's pike
Started by salmotrutta, Oct 31 2012 11:59 PM
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:09 PM
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:58 PM
thats what i do with my rainbowsJust bring a huge gaff and sink it deep into the side of the fish and give it to someone to eat...
No one will bitch about if you could have saved it or not.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:46 PM
Good on Joel for trying to do some education, wether the advice is taken for what it is or not is out of his control.
I see the thread starting with helpful suggestions being delivered in a respectful and friendly tone and they were somehow blown out of proportion. That video of how to unhook a pike is an amazing video, I certainly learned something new there. Could have done it a bit different than putting the pike in the leaves and squeezing between his knees but without a landing net that’s the best option for sure. Newbs need to understand that this type of advice isn’t meant to be negative. This is an open forum so if a fish is posted on here that is mishandled than it is best for everyone that a post is made outlining how the fish could have been handled differently. Not only for the benefit of the OP but also for the benefit of the members and lurkers who are also reading and learning from the thread. Also if we are guiding we would like to be showing our customers proper fish handling practices correct?
I guess its just human nature that if we are corrected we naturally look at it as some sort of an attack. From what I see in this thread here there was no attacking, only helpful and positive advice.
I see the thread starting with helpful suggestions being delivered in a respectful and friendly tone and they were somehow blown out of proportion. That video of how to unhook a pike is an amazing video, I certainly learned something new there. Could have done it a bit different than putting the pike in the leaves and squeezing between his knees but without a landing net that’s the best option for sure. Newbs need to understand that this type of advice isn’t meant to be negative. This is an open forum so if a fish is posted on here that is mishandled than it is best for everyone that a post is made outlining how the fish could have been handled differently. Not only for the benefit of the OP but also for the benefit of the members and lurkers who are also reading and learning from the thread. Also if we are guiding we would like to be showing our customers proper fish handling practices correct?
I guess its just human nature that if we are corrected we naturally look at it as some sort of an attack. From what I see in this thread here there was no attacking, only helpful and positive advice.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:52 PM
Good on Joel for trying to do some education, wether the advice is taken for what it is or not is out of his control.
I see the thread starting with helpful suggestions being delivered in a respectful and friendly tone and they were somehow blown out of proportion. That video of how to unhook a pike is an amazing video, I certainly learned something new there. Could have done it a bit different than putting the pike in the leaves and squeezing between his knees but without a landing net that’s the best option for sure. Newbs need to understand that this type of advice isn’t meant to be negative. This is an open forum so if a fish is posted on here that is mishandled than it is best for everyone that a post is made outlining how the fish could have been handled differently. Not only for the benefit of the OP but also for the benefit of the members and lurkers who are also reading and learning from the thread. Also if we are guiding we would like to be showing our customers proper fish handling practices correct?
I guess its just human nature that if we are corrected we naturally look at it as some sort of an attack. From what I see in this thread here there was no attacking, only helpful and positive advice.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:59 PM
Joel was corrected, and continued to nag even though he was wrong. Even after I respectfully asked him to continue via PM. So again, I proved him wrong. Some members took offense to his posts - naturally, as he was nagging.
I disagree with the videos he posted. I would never recommend handling pike in such a way to anyone. There are far safer, less invasive ways to remove hooks from a pike.
Didn't Joel, or was it his wife, end up with a hook in their finger? I wouldn't take fish handling advice from someone who gets hooks stuck in their hands.
Also, I never tried to revive my fish. I just decided I'd give it away because of where it was hooked, since this spot is loaded with pike, and there are always lots of hungry fishermen, who are very happy to take a fish home, nearby. Gave it to 2 guys from Alliston, who had driven really far and gotten skunked. They were stoked.
Glad you learned something from Joel's posts NADO, but your need to assert your viewpoint a week later in a dead thread is mind boggling.
I disagree with the videos he posted. I would never recommend handling pike in such a way to anyone. There are far safer, less invasive ways to remove hooks from a pike.
Didn't Joel, or was it his wife, end up with a hook in their finger? I wouldn't take fish handling advice from someone who gets hooks stuck in their hands.
Also, I never tried to revive my fish. I just decided I'd give it away because of where it was hooked, since this spot is loaded with pike, and there are always lots of hungry fishermen, who are very happy to take a fish home, nearby. Gave it to 2 guys from Alliston, who had driven really far and gotten skunked. They were stoked.
Glad you learned something from Joel's posts NADO, but your need to assert your viewpoint a week later in a dead thread is mind boggling.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:16 PM
He was nothing but polite.
The video he posted was certainly the best way to access deep hooked pike without doing any damage to the gills or the tissue deep within the pikes mouth. Handling was not the best thats for sure.
Again its not that he had a problem with you keeping the fish. Joel has posted on the forum before about keeping a few bass or pike for his friends, keeping within your posession limit is perfectly acceptable. BUT
1. Prolonging the fight is not good
2. If the pike is hooked deep there are proven methods to easily remove the hook/lure
Not sure how this got so blown out of proportion but those two points were all he was trying to make. Especially since you pointed out that it was hooked deep so you gave it to someone else....
The video he posted was certainly the best way to access deep hooked pike without doing any damage to the gills or the tissue deep within the pikes mouth. Handling was not the best thats for sure.
Again its not that he had a problem with you keeping the fish. Joel has posted on the forum before about keeping a few bass or pike for his friends, keeping within your posession limit is perfectly acceptable. BUT
1. Prolonging the fight is not good
2. If the pike is hooked deep there are proven methods to easily remove the hook/lure
Not sure how this got so blown out of proportion but those two points were all he was trying to make. Especially since you pointed out that it was hooked deep so you gave it to someone else....
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:25 PM
He was nothing but polite.
The video he posted was certainly the best way to access deep hooked pike without doing any damage to the gills or the tissue deep within the pikes mouth. Handling was not the best thats for sure.
Again its not that he had a problem with you keeping the fish. Joel has posted on the forum before about keeping a few bass or pike for his friends, keeping within your posession limit is perfectly acceptable. BUT
1. Prolonging the fight is not good
2. If the pike is hooked deep there are proven methods to easily remove the hook/lure
Not sure how this got so blown out of proportion but those two points were all he was trying to make. Especially since you pointed out that it was hooked deep so you gave it to someone else....
It was hooked deep, but I did get the hook out, safely. The fish was bleeding when I removed it from the water, by grabbing it from behind its head.
Filming a portion of the fight does not equate to prolonging the fight. The fish leaped about 3 feet out of the water during the video, but unfortunately I didn't capture the full jump. Pike do that when they have a lot of spunk in them still.
It was in my best interest that the fish be at least somewhat tired, prior to grabbing it out of the water with my bare hands. I caught it casting off a spot that I have never cast from before. I was about to go home and call it a day, because the water was very murky and not my ideal pike fishing conditions. I knew that hooking a fish there, without having my net on me, would make for a challenge landing it. Fishing is a selfish pursuit, and I decided to cast anyway, and I'm happy I got the pike.
I have since posted another video with a steelhead, and I will continue to film and post videos of my fishing because I enjoy capturing and sharing the footage.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:36 PM
Seriously, I thought we were done here...
My wife took a hook in her finger while fly fishing - glad it wasn't her eye, but we both wear glasses (either sun or safety) for that exact reason. A fly can occasionally have an unpredictable and sometimes dangerous flight, ask anyone who's been doing it for a while and they'll agree. Most of the time, it hooks a vest or shirt sleeve, but that time got her finger - right in the knuckle! I posted a video to share an excellent way to remove a hook, something someone once shared with me - and I'm glad they did, it came in handy that day. She was ready to go to the hospital otherwise to have it removed.
BTW - that was a cheap shot, and I'm not offended.
Back to the thread...
You said on page 1 - "Unfortunately, the spoon ended up being very deep on this guy. Even with forceps, I was unable to safely remove the treble, and as such I gave the fish to a couple guys that I saw fishing nearby."
That implies Catch & Release as the intent.
Now you say "Also, I never tried to revive my fish. I just decided I'd give it away because of where it was hooked, since this spot is loaded with pike, and there are always lots of hungry fishermen, who are very happy to take a fish home, nearby."
Your first comment provoked my answers and helpful tips about safely removing a hook without killing a fish. What you're saying now, if it's true, is a perfectly acceptable statement. I kill fish to eat them all the time.
Lesson learned - tell the truth.
Now, let's nag...
On page 1, Buck said "so you weren't actually reeling while filming?"
to which rich_ace_G replied "I think you're on to something here buck."
and then you said "I honestly can't remember, I probably did reel at times."
Too busy making a movie? I would have loved to have been there while "Italo Izumi" recorded his great angling - truth of the matter is you probably killed it playing around with it to make your movie. Now, I didn't say that did I? Buck did suggest that it's unlikely you reeled while recording... whatever that means. <grin>
Nado's right though, my only goal here was to give a helpful tip - it's unlikely the Pike was fatally wounded by the hook. I've unhooked many Pike safely and released them, they can survive a little blood, they're a resilient and feisty species. Making movies is definitely not my priority when doing this, and the ones that I did find on the net are not the best examples on handling C&R fish but do get the point across about hook removal, something some of us on here could evidently stand to learn a little more about, however I doubt that's as high on your list as making movies to tout your angling abilities... so sorry your ego was bruised by my comments - seriously, hire yourself a movie crew to follow you around. What a wannabe!
My wife took a hook in her finger while fly fishing - glad it wasn't her eye, but we both wear glasses (either sun or safety) for that exact reason. A fly can occasionally have an unpredictable and sometimes dangerous flight, ask anyone who's been doing it for a while and they'll agree. Most of the time, it hooks a vest or shirt sleeve, but that time got her finger - right in the knuckle! I posted a video to share an excellent way to remove a hook, something someone once shared with me - and I'm glad they did, it came in handy that day. She was ready to go to the hospital otherwise to have it removed.
BTW - that was a cheap shot, and I'm not offended.
Back to the thread...
You said on page 1 - "Unfortunately, the spoon ended up being very deep on this guy. Even with forceps, I was unable to safely remove the treble, and as such I gave the fish to a couple guys that I saw fishing nearby."
That implies Catch & Release as the intent.
Now you say "Also, I never tried to revive my fish. I just decided I'd give it away because of where it was hooked, since this spot is loaded with pike, and there are always lots of hungry fishermen, who are very happy to take a fish home, nearby."
Your first comment provoked my answers and helpful tips about safely removing a hook without killing a fish. What you're saying now, if it's true, is a perfectly acceptable statement. I kill fish to eat them all the time.
Lesson learned - tell the truth.
Now, let's nag...
On page 1, Buck said "so you weren't actually reeling while filming?"
to which rich_ace_G replied "I think you're on to something here buck."
and then you said "I honestly can't remember, I probably did reel at times."
Too busy making a movie? I would have loved to have been there while "Italo Izumi" recorded his great angling - truth of the matter is you probably killed it playing around with it to make your movie. Now, I didn't say that did I? Buck did suggest that it's unlikely you reeled while recording... whatever that means. <grin>
Nado's right though, my only goal here was to give a helpful tip - it's unlikely the Pike was fatally wounded by the hook. I've unhooked many Pike safely and released them, they can survive a little blood, they're a resilient and feisty species. Making movies is definitely not my priority when doing this, and the ones that I did find on the net are not the best examples on handling C&R fish but do get the point across about hook removal, something some of us on here could evidently stand to learn a little more about, however I doubt that's as high on your list as making movies to tout your angling abilities... so sorry your ego was bruised by my comments - seriously, hire yourself a movie crew to follow you around. What a wannabe!
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:31 PM
Seriously, I thought we were done here...
My wife took a hook in her finger while fly fishing - glad it wasn't her eye, but we both wear glasses (either sun or safety) for that exact reason. A fly can occasionally have an unpredictable and sometimes dangerous flight, ask anyone who's been doing it for a while and they'll agree. Most of the time, it hooks a vest or shirt sleeve, but that time got her finger - right in the knuckle! I posted a video to share an excellent way to remove a hook, something someone once shared with me - and I'm glad they did, it came in handy that day. She was ready to go to the hospital otherwise to have it removed.
BTW - that was a cheap shot, and I'm not offended.
Back to the thread...
You said on page 1 - "Unfortunately, the spoon ended up being very deep on this guy. Even with forceps, I was unable to safely remove the treble, and as such I gave the fish to a couple guys that I saw fishing nearby."
That implies Catch & Release as the intent.
Now you say "Also, I never tried to revive my fish. I just decided I'd give it away because of where it was hooked, since this spot is loaded with pike, and there are always lots of hungry fishermen, who are very happy to take a fish home, nearby."
Your first comment provoked my answers and helpful tips about safely removing a hook without killing a fish. What you're saying now, if it's true, is a perfectly acceptable statement. I kill fish to eat them all the time.
Lesson learned - tell the truth.
Now, let's nag...
On page 1, Buck said "so you weren't actually reeling while filming?"
to which rich_ace_G replied "I think you're on to something here buck."
and then you said "I honestly can't remember, I probably did reel at times."
Too busy making a movie? I would have loved to have been there while "Italo Izumi" recorded his great angling - truth of the matter is you probably killed it playing around with it to make your movie. Now, I didn't say that did I? Buck did suggest that it's unlikely you reeled while recording... whatever that means. <grin>
Nado's right though, my only goal here was to give a helpful tip - it's unlikely the Pike was fatally wounded by the hook. I've unhooked many Pike safely and released them, they can survive a little blood, they're a resilient and feisty species. Making movies is definitely not my priority when doing this, and the ones that I did find on the net are not the best examples on handling C&R fish but do get the point across about hook removal, something some of us on here could evidently stand to learn a little more about, however I doubt that's as high on your list as making movies to tout your angling abilities... so sorry your ego was bruised by my comments - seriously, hire yourself a movie crew to follow you around. What a wannabe!
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:59 PM
That's reasonable. I wouldn't take shooting advice from someone who accidentally fired a shot off, never mind shooting something/someone by accident.I wouldn't take fish handling advice from someone who gets hooks stuck in their hands.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:11 PM
I fished half a day with a hook in my armpit without noticing
Then again I was like 6 years old, lol
My boy is a fishing genius, and he had a close call this summer!
Anyhow, IMHO, every angler has a close call or gets hooked from time to time. Doesn't really translate into how good or poor of an angler you are.
Joel is on the mark, I see his point. Salmo made me laugh with his simple, yet effective rebuttal. I've got some good food in my belly and a beer, life is grand.
Lets move on folks....
Then again I was like 6 years old, lol
My boy is a fishing genius, and he had a close call this summer!
Anyhow, IMHO, every angler has a close call or gets hooked from time to time. Doesn't really translate into how good or poor of an angler you are.
Joel is on the mark, I see his point. Salmo made me laugh with his simple, yet effective rebuttal. I've got some good food in my belly and a beer, life is grand.
Lets move on folks....
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:31 PM
Lets move on folks....
YES x1000
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:57 PM
That's reasonable. I wouldn't take shooting advice from someone who accidentally fired a shot off, never mind shooting something/someone by accident.
You mean this guy
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:45 PM
I fished half a day with a hook in my armpit without noticing
Then again I was like 6 years old, lol
My boy is a fishing genius, and he had a close call this summer!
Anyhow, IMHO, every angler has a close call or gets hooked from time to time. Doesn't really translate into how good or poor of an angler you are.
Joel is on the mark, I see his point. Salmo made me laugh with his simple, yet effective rebuttal. I've got some good food in my belly and a beer, life is grand.
Lets move on folks....
What lure is that? lol.
You said it good sir, saddle up and ride on.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:02 PM
What lure is that? lol.
You said it good sir, saddle up and ride on.
I had a Lindy rig stuck in my armpit. My boy, thats a Rapala top water lure, the name escapes me at the moment? X-rap SubWalk??? Something like that..He was walking the dog off shore on a camping trip this summer on Rainy Lake. He had a big pike follow him up to shore and when it missed the lure he tried to st the hook. He missed, and then missed again, thank god. That was the first day of a week long camping trip. I Dont even wanna imagine what implications it coulda caused if it hooked somewhere else....
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:11 PM
I had a Lindy rig stuck in my armpit. My boy, thats a Rapala top water lure, the name escapes me at the moment? X-rap SubWalk??? Something like that..He was walking the dog off shore on a camping trip this summer on Rainy Lake. He had a big pike follow him up to shore and when it missed the lure he tried to st the hook. He missed, and then missed again, thank god. That was the first day of a week long camping trip. I Dont even wanna imagine what implications it coulda caused if it hooked somewhere else....
I'm kind of thinking .... from a Rooster to a Hen!
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:24 PM
I'm kind of thinking .... from a Rooster to a Hen!
thats just mean, lol
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