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[Tangled Spool]

Hey, I went to a river in a beautiful country called Canada yesterday that was on fire!!! I really mean it...
thing is, I ran out of mono and used my old and faithful braid that I took from my bait casting reel coz I didn't want to lose time going to a store (I had only 1.5 hours for fishing).
As soon as I made the first casts, I noticed the drifting was quite unusual and the belly was a bit bigger than usual. Has anyone had that problem when using centerpin and drifting with braid?

[redneckchromer]

dont make the same mistake I did! That braided line is most likely higher strength than what your float rod is rated for! Running 20# braid on a rod meant for 10 is what led to it folding in half! Even with a lighter leader your risking blowing up your stick !

[FrequentFlyer]

dont make the same mistake I did! That braided line is most likely higher strength than what your float rod is rated for! Running 20# braid on a rod meant for 10 is what led to it folding in half! Even with a lighter leader your risking blowing up your stick !

this...stick with the mono or fluoro

[Spinninreel]

Braid at first will float, but soon becomes waterlogged so it will not float properly. Floro also sinks, so stick with the mono to get a good long drift.

[CanadianAngler87]

dont make the same mistake I did! That braided line is most likely higher strength than what your float rod is rated for! Running 20# braid on a rod meant for 10 is what led to it folding in half! Even with a lighter leader your risking blowing up your stick !

Is that the video you posted? Wonderd why that rod broke so easy!??

[deano519]

Please explain ..." Running 20# braid on a rod meant for 10 is what led to it folding in half! Even with a lighter leader your risking blowing up your stick !"... Im not trying to be rude I just dont see your reasoning...

[Klamp]

Please explain ..." Running 20# braid on a rod meant for 10 is what led to it folding in half! Even with a lighter leader your risking blowing up your stick !"... Im not trying to be rude I just dont see your reasoning...

Well generally you want your line to give before your rod does. If a manufacturer specs 10lb line, they may be suggesting using a stronger line may lead to rod failure before the line fails. Sound reasoning, no?

[deano519]

I was asking him ( but thanks for your informative reply ) why he thinks it was his line that made his rod bend over and not the amount of tension applied to the rod which in my experience, is he only way a rod will blow up...I can run 80 lb braid on my line if I want and the only factor ( aside from a factory defect ) that will determine if the rod breaks is the tension applied when fighting a fish.

[georgianbaydrifter]

i used 8lb fireline crystal for a fall couple years ago, didnt like it.

[riverhugger]

I was asking him ( but thanks for your informative reply ) why he thinks it was his line that made his rod bend over and not the amount of tension applied to the rod which in my experience, is he only way a rod will blow up...I can run 80 lb braid on my line if I want and the only factor ( aside from a factory defect ) that will determine if the rod breaks is the tension applied when fighting a fish.

Its that the weakest link in the system will break first.

If you have 80lb line on a rod which can only take 10-12 lbs of tension before failure instead of snapping your line on an overly swift hookset or when trying to turn that fish around as it flys downstream you are going to end up snapping your rod.

Its the same concept of why you put your float on the higher rated mainline when drifting. Your lighter leader line will break off before your mainline (hopefully) and you keep that expensive float while only loosing some shot/hook. In this case its that running line properly rated for your rod ensures that outside of a problem with the rod you only snap off your line if you are being to strong with the fish and not your $$$ rod.

Sure you could run 80lb braid and not break your rod but the probability of you snapping your rod by fighting to hard is much higher since you can put far greater stress on the rod before breaking your line.

[Tangled Spool]

I'm surprised...I mean, I had thought the braided line could have an impact on the action but never thought it was that big.... redneckchromer, your reasoning makes sense.
thanks guys for all the replies, very informative!

[redneckchromer]

I was asking him ( but thanks for your informative reply ) why he thinks it was his line that made his rod bend over and not the amount of tension applied to the rod which in my experience, is he only way a rod will blow up...I can run 80 lb braid on my line if I want and the only factor ( aside from a factory defect ) that will determine if the rod breaks is the tension applied when fighting a fish.

lol you run 80 pound braid on your float rod! I guess those chinnys hooked in the back are alot easier to bring in that way eh?

[efka]

i used 8lb fireline crystal for a fall couple years ago, didnt like it.

what was wrong?
i spooled some #10 fireline crystal over mono and running it now, i like it so far.

[efka]

Braid at first will float, but soon becomes waterlogged so it will not float properly. Floro also sinks, so stick with the mono to get a good long drift.

depends on the braid.
power pro will absorb water and be heavier
fluorobraid will sink
fused braids like fireline don't absorb any water

[FrequentFlyer]

Please explain ..." Running 20# braid on a rod meant for 10 is what led to it folding in half! Even with a lighter leader your risking blowing up your stick !"... Im not trying to be rude I just dont see your reasoning...

rods are only rated to handle for much tension, if you use a line strength higher than what is recommended, you rod may snap, this will also void any sort of warranty that's on the rod....otherwise known as equipment abuse

[Tangled Spool]

rods are only rated to handle for much tension, if you use a line strength higher than what is recommended, you rod may snap, this will also void any sort of warranty that's on the rod....otherwise known as equipment abuse

At the store, who will know you had been using braid? you can tell them "I was using 6 lb/test line" ....but, if it breaks with braid, as long as you hadn't a 100 pounds grouper at the other end of the line I think is fine, but I'm sure the factory already kept in mind the limits and if it breaks, it's just a factory defect and I can tell you that from my experience, offshore, I used to fish 150+ pounds fish with a humble Shakespeare rod (designed for 50 pounds max) and way higher than recommended tension line and I can certainly say that a 75% of the time landing a fish without breaking the rod depends on your skills with the drag. just my 2 cents.

[FrequentFlyer]

At the store, who will know you had been using braid? you can tell them "I was using 6 lb/test line" ....but, if it breaks with braid, as long as you hadn't a 100 pounds grouper at the other end of the line I think is fine, but I'm sure the factory already kept in mind the limits and if it breaks, it's just a factory defect and I can tell you that from my experience, offshore, I used to fish 150+ pounds fish with a humble Shakespeare rod (designed for 50 pounds max) and way higher than recommended tension line and I can certainly say that a 75% of the time landing a fish without breaking the rod depends on your skills with the drag. just my 2 cents.

there are ways of telling equipment abuse vs factory defect, the wear on the guides would be one dead give away, was just talking about this 2 weeks ago with a loomis rep, was saying 75% of the returns they get is from owner abuse, and the most frequent is high sticking (holding the rod way up to grab a fish on your own and tip snaps off)

[CanadianAngler87]

10lbs test on rod suitable for 10lbs test, line will break before rod?

20lbs test on rod suitable for 10lbs test, rod will break before line?

Am I correct?

[FrequentFlyer]

eventually yes, because in your mind your thinking you can lean into a fish harder, therefore stressing points on the rod causing micro fractures, which then leads to rod failure

[georgianbaydrifter]

what was wrong?
i spooled some #10 fireline crystal over mono and running it now, i like it so far.

it floated super nice and i origianally intended it for long distance hooksets in frog water( hate when the line sinks and causes that sluggish hooset) but found i was breaking too many short- medium distance hooksets at the uniknot. maybe i didnt fish it long enough to adjust my swing.