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[Hucho Hucho]

Good read. Yes or NO

http://www.independe...le-8430639.html

[NiagaraSteel]

This is horrible!!!!!!! It's not an if, it's a WHEN the fish escapes into the wild. That will cause a disaster in the other salmon species. Everyone search 'ocean pout' on the internet. You will find that it is the uggliest fish ever sent down from hell. It looks like an eel bred with a sculpin. The ocean pout also has anti-freeze in its blood, enabling it to survive in near freezing water. It the junk fish of the ocean, as the carp is the junk fish of freshwater. It was bred with the salmon so that the salmon would be ultra fast growing and be tough. This is a complete disaster waiting to happen.

[Hucho Hucho]

This is horrible!!!!!!! It's not an if, it's a WHEN the fish escapes into the wild. That will cause a disaster in the other salmon species. Everyone search 'ocean pout' on the internet. You will find that it is the uggliest fish ever sent down from hell. It looks like an eel bred with a sculpin. The ocean pout also has anti-freeze in its blood, enabling it to survive in near freezing water. It the junk fish of the ocean, as the carp is the junk fish of freshwater. It was bred with the salmon so that the salmon would be ultra fast growing and be tough. This is a complete disaster waiting to happen.

People playing God it can't be good.

[schnip]

carp are often called the garbage or junk fish--this is a fallacy just FYI--they eat off teh bottom--not thier fault just dwells there as well..lol its like a pig they are actually a clean animal--they just happen to live in mud..lol

[CanadianAngler87]

carp are often called the garbage or junk fish--this is a fallacy just FYI--they eat off teh bottom--not thier fault just dwells there as well..lol its like a pig they are actually a clean animal--they just happen to live in mud..lol

as for a Goby now thats a garbage fish, looks nasty, smells and can be put in garbage cans when caught!

[jackthefish]

Welcome to the island of Dr. Moreau.

[NiagaraSteel]

carp are often called the garbage or junk fish--this is a fallacy just FYI--they eat off teh bottom--not thier fault just dwells there as well..lol its like a pig they are actually a clean animal--they just happen to live in mud..lol

Schnip, that's not all carp do. They search for food on the bottom of a lake, river, or harbour. Meanwhile, they are stirring up sediment and mud, therefore causing clear water to be muddy. Then that mud ruins runs for our native fish, like salmon, steelhead, etc, that require quality,clear, coldwater. Each female can produce about 100,000 eggs each spwaning time. Also, weeds on the bottom and swamp plant along the shore die, due to the carp making muddy water and thrashing around. Carp are horrible fish. The two worst fish in ontario is the carp and gobie. That will change if "frankenfish" (snakehead) invade. Carp are garbage, all the way.

[schnip]

i always thought they were referred to as garbage fish as it was assumed they ate garbage--i have heard that many times---

[FishingNoob]

Schnip, that's not all carp do. They search for food on the bottom of a lake, river, or harbour. Meanwhile, they are stirring up sediment and mud, therefore causing clear water to be muddy. Then that mud ruins runs for our native fish, like salmon, steelhead, etc, that require quality,clear, coldwater. Each female can produce about 100,000 eggs each spwaning time. Also, weeds on the bottom and swamp plant along the shore die, due to the carp making muddy water and thrashing around. Carp are horrible fish. The two worst fish in ontario is the carp and gobie. That will change if "frankenfish" (snakehead) invade. Carp are garbage, all the way.

I guess you prefer zebra mussels over carp...

[NiagaraSteel]

I guess you prefer zebra mussels over carp...

Actually, no. I just went on a rant there . DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT ZEBRA MUSSELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FishingNoob]

I am very torn over this topic. On the angler hand I think it is a bad idea, just because of escapees.

On the other hand though, I support it. I mean I would eat a GM salmon. In the world today it is ignorant to say and think that we do not need GM food. Think of all the wonders that GM food can do. It can save lives. Norman Borlaug saved 1 billion lives from starvation with his GM plants. So in this case people playing God can be good. I support GM foods because I know that we cannot feed the world population on organic plants and animals. Does this mean that I don't buy organic when I can? No. It just means that I understand that we need GM food to survive and to keep the world population alive. Lets be real here for a second. Us in the "western" world are pretty rich compared to the rest of the world and I truthfully think that GM fish will not affect our lives as fishermen/women except for the rare escapee and this will not affect our outside of fishing life's unless you are an industrial fisherman or are a fish monger. What GM fish and food is going to do is lower the price of food making it more accessible to people that need it. Imagine if the price of food was made so that the poorest person in the world could afford to eat.

So after debating this in my head. I support the legalization of the consumption of GM fish, based on that I think the pros out way the cons and that it would be hypocritical to support GM plants and not fish.

[FishingNoob]

Actually, no. I just went on a rant there . DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT ZEBRA MUSSELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate zebra mussels always shred my line.

[schnip]

ya zebra mussels suck--you have to wear workboots to swim in lakes now..

[FrequentFlyer]

I am very torn over this topic. On the angler hand I think it is a bad idea, just because of escapees.

On the other hand though, I support it. I mean I would eat a GM salmon. In the world today it is ignorant to say and think that we do not need GM food. Think of all the wonders that GM food can do. It can save lives. Norman Borlaug saved 1 billion lives from starvation with his GM plants. So in this case people playing God can be good. I support GM foods because I know that we cannot feed the world population on organic plants and animals. Does this mean that I don't buy organic when I can? No. It just means that I understand that we need GM food to survive and to keep the world population alive. Lets be real here for a second. Us in the "western" world are pretty rich compared to the rest of the world and I truthfully think that GM fish will not affect our lives as fishermen/women except for the rare escapee and this will not affect our outside of fishing life's unless you are an industrial fisherman or are a fish monger. What GM fish and food is going to do is lower the price of food making it more accessible to people that need it. Imagine if the price of food was made so that the poorest person in the world could afford to eat.

So after debating this in my head. I support the legalization of the consumption of GM fish, based on that I think the pros out way the cons and that it would be hypocritical to support GM plants and not fish.

GM products (not cars and trucks) are very bad for our health, I work in the meat industry, butcher, we've had so many people asking if there is gluten in our sausages and marinades since so many people are allergic to gluten now then there ever was before. Reason, GMo. wheat. wheat used to be taller, with smaller heads, causing them to be easily damaged by prairie winds, so modified the wheat to be short with bigger heads to have a larger yield. Peanuts is another one, for the older folks, how many people had peanut allergies when you were growing up, now compare that now. you can't even take a PB and J sandwich to school anymore for fear of killing multiple people, they were a staple in many young kids diet 15 years ago.

We let this fish go through, you will see fish allergies sky rocket in the next 15-20 years

[NiagaraSteel]

I hate zebra mussels always shred my line.

There's a local port near me called port maitland on lake erie. The rocks along the breakwater are covered with zebra mussels and gobies. When i'm there, i step on zebra mussels, then throw them in a garbage can. And when i don't catch anything, i just dangle a worm near the shore, catch loads of gobies, and put them in a garbage bag which i bring there....ahhh, good times

[NiagaraSteel]

GM products (not cars and trucks) are very bad for our health, I work in the meat industry, butcher, we've had so many people asking if there is gluten in our sausages and marinades since so many people are allergic to gluten now then there ever was before. Reason, GMo. wheat. wheat used to be taller, with smaller heads, causing them to be easily damaged by prairie winds, so modified the wheat to be short with bigger heads to have a larger yield. Peanuts is another one, for the older folks, how many people had peanut allergies when you were growing up, now compare that now. you can't even take a PB and J sandwich to school anymore for fear of killing multiple people, they were a staple in many young kids diet 15 years ago.

We let this fish go through, you will see fish allergies sky rocket in the next 15-20 years

Thanks for all that info. Geez you know a lot about that.

[FrequentFlyer]

i do know a lot about food allergy stuff, as that is my job, need to protect my customers, the us fda just tests whether things are edible or not, if eating them will cause serious health problems or not( a food allergy is not considered a major health issue, they still allow PB with the number is severe peanut allergies out there) an then the economic viability and sustainability of the product. the FDA does not care about the environmental factors, thats not their job.

This fish is potentially harmful to our natural resources(wild fish stocks). just remember, no one thought the snake head would be an issue, until someone release a couple into a pond to save money on shipping. same with the asian carp.

[MaxHook]

This is really disturbing .... our future generations (if we make it) will mark this point in history when human kind really lost its mind. There is nothing good about GMO. Big corporations actually hold the patent for this kind of food/animals/fish .... scary stuff.

[FishingNoob]

Noob stated something like 'the escapees wouldn't hurt anything', but it would hurt nature.

Ummm I didn't... please read more carefully.

[NiagaraSteel]

Ummm I didn't... please read more carefully.

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