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#1 ChasinTails

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 12:55 PM

Hey guys i have a bass pro shops bionic plus baitcast reel. i usually use 40-60 lb braid on my reel because whenever i use mono i end up getting backlash, when i would never get it with braid, even with brakes set to full. I  know ill get backlash every now and then but with mono on my reel i always get backlash on every castI've only probably had 15-20 bird nests in 3 years with baitcasters and i think 1 or 2 with my current reel with braid. SO my main question is, am i getting the bird's nest with my baitcaster because the mono is slipping on the spool ? id really like to know because id like to start using mono for salmon this year, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance,

 

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#2 efka

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:02 PM

lots of info here

http://www.ontariofi...lp/?hl=baitcast


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#3 ChasinTails

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

thanks but im having a bit of a different problem, i think the mono is slipping causing the line to coil up on the spool, if so should i put on 14lb mono and try to pour warm water onto the reel ?


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#4 efka

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:20 PM

you think or it slips?

set the drag tight and pull the line, you will know 100% if it slips.

even if its slips it wont slip so much to create nests

it has to do with your adjustments and casting technique

 

 

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#5 ChasinTails

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:31 PM

thanks efka that helps a lot im heading out tonight ill let you know if i had that problem 


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#6 ChasinTails

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

ya i tried those out, no problems for me so far ( casted in the backyard for 30mins ) thanks


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

ChasinTails,

 

   Try to learn how to use a braided line and tie a Uni to Uni knot and make yourself a fluorocarbon leader. Berkley Vanish is good but the only fluorocarbon line I use is the seaguar abrazx. You can even use a 25 lbs straight spool of that! Wont give you the backlash. Ps what ratio do you have on your bionic blade?


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:48 AM

im using 20lb mono on my abu black max.

heres what i did i get maybe a small bird nest every 30+ casts (IF i cast hard.

 

take break all off.

and make ur tension just so that your line drops slow not fast but slow on a 45* angle about.

then once you got your tension knob set then set ur break. i set mine at just over 50%. 

 

and one very important thing make sure u feather your cast the whole time you release. not just at the time it hits the water. 

i found that the mono like to slip and become loose if u dont keep the tension on it. 

 

and try that it took me about 20min to get used to it.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

My fav brake setup is 4 on and 2 off, evenly spaced.
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Posted 18 August 2013 - 03:26 PM

im using 20lb mono on my abu black max.

heres what i did i get maybe a small bird nest every 30+ casts (IF i cast hard.

 

take break all off.

and make ur tension just so that your line drops slow not fast but slow on a 45* angle about.

then once you got your tension knob set then set ur break. i set mine at just over 50%. 

 

and one very important thing make sure u feather your cast the whole time you release. not just at the time it hits the water. 

i found that the mono like to slip and become loose if u dont keep the tension on it. 

 

and try that it took me about 20min to get used to it.

 

the tensioner knob isnt used for that purpose. only use it to center the spool for reels with or without a levelwind.
if you constantly use that to apply tension to the spool, eventually your wear down the copper shims or spool shaft ends.

some reels dont even have a fixed shaft spool, but floating spools that ride on bearings.  so tightening it down will only bust up those bearings.

 

adjust the knob until you can barely feel a side to side knock on the spool, then use (if available) mag/brakes or your thumb on spool flange to cast.

use max brakes if your not sure, then work your way down until you comfortable in a windy condition.

mono does not slip, braid will.  the only time mono plays bad is if the brand is bad. the line gets hard and wiry.

but if its smooth and limp, it gives no issues.

 

if anyone tells you otherwise, theyve never used conventional reels for surf fishing or distance casting.  eg - pendulum casting.

i used to distance cast with others around my area using abu 5500 6500 6600w, with custom mag units.  

i can constantly hit 650-800' casts all day as long as my back doesnt break or get tired walking to retrieve the sinker.

so im not just spouting nonsense. fyi


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#11 dusty122

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

the tensioner knob isnt used for that purpose. only use it to center the spool for reels with or without a levelwind.
if you constantly use that to apply tension to the spool, eventually your wear down the copper shims or spool shaft ends.

some reels dont even have a fixed shaft spool, but floating spools that ride on bearings.  so tightening it down will only bust up those bearings.

 

adjust the knob until you can barely feel a side to side knock on the spool, then use (if available) mag/brakes or your thumb on spool flange to cast.

use max brakes if your not sure, then work your way down until you comfortable in a windy condition.

mono does not slip, braid will.  the only time mono plays bad is if the brand is bad. the line gets hard and wiry.

but if its smooth and limp, it gives no issues.

 

if anyone tells you otherwise, theyve never used conventional reels for surf fishing or distance casting.  eg - pendulum casting.

i used to distance cast with others around my area using abu 5500 6500 6600w, with custom mag units.  

i can constantly hit 650-800' casts all day as long as my back doesnt break or get tired walking to retrieve the sinker.

so im not just spouting nonsense. fyi

 

i donno im following what he said and it worked for me. so im just passing down my knowledge.

 

i guess what your saying makes sense.

 

i got brand new 20mono powerpro. i just found that it bird nested easier.  


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#12 ChasinTails

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:44 PM

thanks for all the help guys, i think i got it now, no backlash, When i meant slip not like all the line is slipping on the shaft winding the line i meant when i loosen the tension on the line, the mono coils to the size of the spool of line not the reel. if this makes any sense lol, kind of like a spinning reel but instead of all the line coming off 


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:51 AM

nice!

i found that "that fine tuning" on the bait-caster eliminates 80% of all the problems. 

 

peace


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