A friendly reminder about Common Carp

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ChromeAddict

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Just a reminder: Common carp are not invasive, throwing them on the bank to die is both gross and illegal. I was at Ashbridges bay today practicing my centerpin casting and saw a big dead carp with a brick on top of it. Really? If you don't like carp then don't target them, but grow up a little and have some decency. Rant over.
 
They aren't native and are invasive. Now established I'd say they aint going anywhere and are here to stay - they'll get their native status soon :) Regardless of their status thats pretty messed up.
 
Catfish said:
Common carp are not invasive? A quick google search told me otherwise, which is what I thought before. Obviously you haven't seen what they've done to Coote's paradise in the hammer. They have a carp barrier for a reason. The next one I get sure won't be seeing water again.

http://www.great-lakes.net/envt/flora-fauna/invasive/carp.html
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The point isn't whether they are invasive or not, call them what you like. The point is that throwing them on the bank is wrong. Keeping the fish is your business, and if you make good use of it I could care less. My issue is with the people who throw them on the bank because they don't like them. Keep them and make good use of them if you must, but please keep our fishing areas clean and have some respect for the sport.
 
ChromeAddict said:
The point isn't whether they are invasive or not, call them what you like. The point is that throwing them on the bank is wrong. Keeping the fish is your business, and if you make good use of it I could care less. My issue is with the people who throw them on the bank because they don't like them. Keep them and make good use of them if you must, but please keep our fishing areas clean and have some respect for the sport.
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Totally agree. Actions like that is one of the reasons anglers get bad rap out there and you find so much anti-fishing sentiments from the local municipalities.
We really don't win by strewing fish carcasses (carp or not), used lures, broken fishing lines around...
 
If you want to dump them, at least bury them as fertiliser. I would love to see them eradicated. Trouble is, if we go that route based on being introduced, it means that we would also have to remove LM and SM bass from just about everywhere but the Mississippi drainage.
 
Carp are invasive, and many townships go to great lengths to kill off as many carp as they can, scugog has tried poisoning them, which was unsuccessful, and they are now open for bow fishing
 
ChromeAddict said:
The point isn't whether they are invasive or not, call them what you like. The point is that throwing them on the bank is wrong. Keeping the fish is your business, and if you make good use of it I could care less. My issue is with the people who throw them on the bank because they don't like them. Keep them and make good use of them if you must, but please keep our fishing areas clean and have some respect for the sport.
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I agree with that. Take em out with you if you're gonna kill it. Fertilizer, dog food or :)barf:) eat it. Don't leave it on the shore to let everyone else get a whiff. Same thing with the salmon run. Tho I don't think most of those looganskis have the brain power to comprehend all this.
 
I don't think I made my point clear in the first post. I am not supporting nor defending the killing of carp on a large scale, I am simply saying that if you must kill a carp (or any fish for that matter), please make some use of it. And @Catfish, I definitely agree about the salmon run. People slitting fish for eggs and dumping the carcasses makes a mess of the tribs.
 
i enbrace Common Carp for what they are, just another speices that i can chuck a fly at (harderto catch then you think). for the most part where ever they are in our water ways, nature has found a balance by this point after 136 yrs. yes they are an invasive species, but when you get right down to it, rainbow trout are to a degree as well. yes they were purposely introduced, but at the end of the day they are not a native species and had to find a balance with the other species that they share waters with.

to toss a common carp up on the bank is wrong; no doult about that. those big old nasty Asian Carp is another story. even these i don't think you want to throw on the bank to die, as i think the MNR will wan the carcass to do tests on (fertility).
 
Catfish said:
Common carp are not invasive? A quick google search told me otherwise, which is what I thought before. Obviously you haven't seen what they've done to Coote's paradise in the hammer. They have a carp barrier for a reason. The next one I get sure won't be seeing water again.

http://www.great-lakes.net/envt/flora-fauna/invasive/carp.html
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Please show me where in the Ontario Fishing regulations it states that carp are listed as an invasive species. Common carp are also not listed in the Field Guide to Invasive species here in Ontario. They are protected by the same laws that protect all our fish. Throwing them up on the bank to rot is illegal. I just read the page you linked to. It does not list common carp as invasive. It lists others including white perch but not common carp even though it gives a description.The page also gives misinformation about the introduction of common carp. They were not unintentionally released . In Ontario they were purposely stocked into the Grand river at Dunneville . Here is a piece of an article by Felix Barbetti in the OFAH newsletter. The Origins of Common Carp. "In Dunnville a local Doctor natural-ist and hunter G.A. MacCallum re-quested and received permission to stock over 400 common carp in the Grand River in 1892. So between significant stocking on the Ameri-can side e and some from Southern Ontario the earliest carp stocking into Lake Erie was in the 1890’s."
 
FrequentFlyer said:
Carp are invasive, and many townships go to great lengths to kill off as many carp as they can, scugog has tried poisoning them, which was unsuccessful, and they are now open for bow fishing
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Just plain wrong. Townships have no powers to do any such thing let alone poisoning . Where did you get such BS from? Bowfishing for carp is legal and it has a season. If you would actually bother to look up some real information in the fishing regs. The season is now closed for the next 9 months. :) Why is it the biggest anti carp guys are the most ill informed?
 
hammercarp said:
Just plain wrong. Townships have no powers to do any such thing let alone poisoning . Where did you get such BS from? Bowfishing for carp is legal and it has a season. If you would actually bother to look up some real information in the fishing regs. The season is now closed for the next 9 months. :) Why is it the biggest anti carp guys are the most ill informed?
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Scugog had pellets dropped into the lake for the carp to pick up in an attempt to try and save the walleye fishery, which is not being shut down due to low numbers. Carp come in and eat the walleye eggs during the spawn
 
hammercarp said:
Please show me where in the Ontario Fishing regulations it states that carp are listed as an invasive species. Common carp are also not listed in the Field Guide to Invasive species here in Ontario. They are protected by the same laws that protect all our fish. Throwing them up on the bank to rot is illegal. I just read the page you linked to. It does not list common carp as invasive. It lists others including white perch but not common carp even though it gives a description.The page also gives misinformation about the introduction of common carp. They were not unintentionally released . In Ontario they were purposely stocked into the Grand river at Dunneville . Here is a piece of an article by Felix Barbetti in the OFAH newsletter. The Origins of Common Carp. "In Dunnville a local Doctor natural-ist and hunter G.A. MacCallum re-quested and received permission to stock over 400 common carp in the Grand River in 1892. So between significant stocking on the Ameri-can side e and some from Southern Ontario the earliest carp stocking into Lake Erie was in the 1890’s."
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I never said I'd throw one on the bank. If I get one I'll take it home.

I don't know how many sites are misinformed, but here's another: http://www.cloca.com/lwc/streams_invasive.php#Carp

From the ROM Field Guide to Freshwater Fishes of Ontario: "The common carp was the first invasive species in North America, having been widely introduced in the mid-1800's. Wherever the common carp was introduced, it wreaked havoc by destroying large amounts of aquatic vegetation essential to native fishes and waterfowl for food and shelter."

Anyways, I hope I have not offended you or anyone else. Just don't know why youd wanna stock em unless they didnt know what they did back then.
 
If you don't like a fish, plain and simple don't target it. If you happen to catch it release it, because you tossing 100 on shore (yes 100, just to prove a point) Isn't going to eradicate the problem, AT ALL, 100 won't even dent the population and all its gonna do is piss off the people around you, not to mention give us all a bad name. If you still wanna waste it, at least use it as fertilizer, dog food, give it to a homeless dude, don't be "that guy" that gives us all a bad name
 
Catfish said:
I never said I'd throw one on the bank. If I get one I'll take it home.

I don't know how many sites are misinformed, but here's another: http://www.cloca.com/lwc/streams_invasive.php#Carp

From the ROM Field Guide to Freshwater Fishes of Ontario: "The common carp was the first invasive species in North America, having been widely introduced in the mid-1800's. Wherever the common carp was introduced, it wreaked havoc by destroying large amounts of aquatic vegetation essential to native fishes and waterfowl for food and shelter."

Anyways, I hope I have not offended you or anyone else. Just don't know why youd wanna stock em unless they didnt know what they did back then.
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The ROM is wrong. Goldfish were already in the waters of North America before carp were introduced. :)http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/the-great-goldfish-invasion-how-an-exotic-carp-took-over-america/264420/
Catfish you did not offend me, no harm taken. The reason they were stocked is because native fish numbers were declining at a high rate.The US and Canadian governments looked for a fish that would be a suitable replacement as a food fish. Common carp were well known in Europe. They were readily accepted as a food fish by European immigrants at that time. That is why they were stocked.
Frequent flyer. Nobody poisoned Lake Scugog. The idea is ridiculous.
 
hammercarp said:
Frequent flyer. Nobody poisoned Lake Scugog. The idea is ridiculous.
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They have, they'll never admit to it, but they did. kind of like how the ministry denied and denied the existence and denied releasing cougars back into the wilds of Ontario
 
i'm not sure if carp are invasive or not. I have tried targeting them once. found out i'm not one with patience sitting my ass waiting for my line to tighten. not my thing. all i can say is invasive fish i catch goes straight to my friends (seagulls, coons or the bin).
 

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