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[ChasinTails]

make it a sanctuary between the 401 and cnr tracks then make a  0 possession limit would do it, I mean if the MNR camped out at the ganny for a night they would make their monthly quota on fines. I see a shi* ton of garbage right next to the ******* garbage bin, people there don't care 1 bit about the fishery they just care about getting roe to catch salmon...which their just gonna take the roe from and throw out. 

[RiverRuns]

Solution...
"Deputize" a number of seasonal enforcement agents - recent fisheries or cop school grads etc. - and pay them a percentage of the tickets they hand out. The remainder of the "fine" money goes to stocking programs, stream rehabilitation etc.. These deputies will be motivated to enforce the rules
And...when salmon season is over...
send the deputies on the road undercover and hand out fines for people who text when they drive...frees up the regular cops to fight real crime, deters people from distracted driving, pays down the provincial debt, frees up more taxpayer money for the fisheries...

I should run for prime minister

[salmotrutta]

People will never, ever, stop texting and driving who own older vehicles. 

 

Vehicles are evolving to include hands-free technology.

 

Until every vehicle is equipped with this technology, people will keep on using their cellphones. 

 

Sorry to go off-topic..

 

Solution...
"Deputize" a number of seasonal enforcement agents - recent fisheries or cop school grads etc. - and pay them a percentage of the tickets they hand out. The remainder of the "fine" money goes to stocking programs, stream rehabilitation etc.. These deputies will be motivated to enforce the rules
And...when salmon season is over...
send the deputies on the road undercover and hand out fines for people who text when they drive...frees up the regular cops to fight real crime, deters people from distracted driving, pays down the provincial debt, frees up more taxpayer money for the fisheries...

I should run for prime minister

[GuitarBuildingAngler]

make it a sanctuary between the 401 and cnr tracks then make a  0 possession limit would do it, I mean if the MNR camped out at the ganny for a night they would make their monthly quota on fines. I see a shi* ton of garbage right next to the ******* garbage bin, people there don't care 1 bit about the fishery they just care about getting roe to catch salmon...which their just gonna take the roe from and throw out. 

I don't necessary agree with lengthening the fish sanctuary. That would just equate to less fish-able area for us responsible anglers. 

In all honesty (and this may be because I am a fly fisherman and use fake everything), the killing for roe needs to end. It is a vicious cycle of killing one species for roe, only to catch another. That is why SOME of the problems exist in the first place.
If a 0 limit (province wide on salmon, brown trout, steelhead)  existed, and use of bait (roe) was not allowed, I think our water systems would not see a lot of the sh*t we are talking about right now. Let alone fish populations would go way up.


I know a fair amount of you guys are gonna hate me for saying "no roe", but I tie and use fake roe imitations. Why can't everyone else?

[DILLIGAF?!]

I don't necessary agree with lengthening the fish sanctuary. That would just equate to less fish-able area for us responsible anglers. 

In all honesty (and this may be because I am a fly fisherman and use fake everything), the killing for roe needs to end. It is a vicious cycle of killing one species for roe, only to catch another. That is why SOME of the problems exist in the first place.
If a 0 limit (province wide on salmon, brown trout, steelhead)  existed, and use of bait (roe) was not allowed, I think our water systems would not see a lot of the sh*t we are talking about right now. Let alone fish populations would go way up.


I know a fair amount of you guys are gonna hate me for saying "no roe", but I tie and use fake roe imitations. Why can't everyone else?

We are pretty much on the same page. I don't encourage hunting salmon for roe. But...I use roe myself. Only I buy it, saves me from the process from gutting - curing (and my wife hates it back when I did because it takes space on the fridge) $9.99 I got a years supply of roe, and I use beads and fly as well. The laws will always be broken when there's no one around to implement it. I don't get into peoples faces when on the water and I really don't like being confrontational...but I always tell guys, if you gut the fish, at least take the fish home, don't just leave it where you gut it.

[salmotrutta]

Spinners and lures are deadly for trout and salmon, as are worms for trout

 

If roe were banned, catch rates would increase!!

[NiagaraSteel]

In all honesty (and this may be because I am a fly fisherman and use fake everything), the killing for roe needs to end. It is a vicious cycle of killing one species for roe, only to catch another. That is why SOME of the problems exist in the first place.
If a 0 limit (province wide on salmon, brown trout, steelhead) existed, and use of bait (roe) was not allowed, I think our water systems would not see a lot of the sh*t we are talking about right now. Let alone fish populations would go way up.
I know a fair amount of you guys are gonna hate me for saying "no roe", but I tie and use fake roe imitations. Why can't everyone else?

I agree that roe hunting should end if we want to stop this crap. I fish on the pin and hardly ever use roe. The fishes that I land are always on beads, jigs, flies or pink worms. I have yet to catch a fish on roe. If you want roe get it from an online site like fishheads. Roe is so heavily promoted on the internet, yet a few hadcore pinners that I know are artificial only. This past spring on the niagara, the first time I ever fished it in spring, I started with a roe bag, was getting zip, put on a bead and was into a few fish before I knew it. Used the same colour bead the next few weeks and did great. You can't have roe in literally 100's of colours. But you can with beads.

[GuitarBuildingAngler]

All great points guys. I completely agree. 

[Swing4Steel]

No steelheader needs a half garbage bag of roe. The guys doing this aren't doing it for bait. They're doing it for food and eating it. You don't see these idiots once the salmon run is over
Steelheaders keeping a couple salmon for bait aren't the problem

[FrequentFlyer]

No steelheader needs a half garbage bag of roe. The guys doing this aren't doing it for bait. They're doing it for food and eating it. You don't see these idiots once the salmon run is over
Steelheaders keeping a couple salmon for bait aren't the problem

 

 

^^^^ this, its why you see/hear mostly europeans and asians 'fishing' for fall salmon, while it is legal to harvest the eggs, the method in which these people do it is not

[Swing4Steel]

Agreed! The key is enforcement of current regulations, not new regulations as suggested above

[chinooky]

I don't think it's fair to automatically blame offenders based on their ethnicity. I've seen arseholes in every shade, (including Canadian).

Just get more enforcement and up the fines as deterrent. Cops have enforcement blitzes, i dont see why they cant do the same on the rivers.

[Brian]

Agreed! The key is enforcement of current regulations, not new regulations as suggested above

 

This ^^^

[FrequentFlyer]

I don't think it's fair to automatically blame offenders based on their ethnicity. I've seen arseholes in every shade, (including Canadian).

Just get more enforcement and up the fines as deterrent. Cops have enforcement blitzes, i dont see why they cant do the same on the rivers.

 

 

agreed, its not just one ethnic group, but the majority of people gutting and chucking are of Eurasian descent.  Fish eggs are a European delicacy after all.

[GuitarBuildingAngler]

But there is no budget for this added enforcement. If there was, there would have been officers out already. At least out for the last 2-3 years of poop shows on the ganny that I have seen. Something new has to be tried, because enforcing the current laws is obviously not working.

[DILLIGAF?!]

Enforcement of "current regulations" hasn't worked for years....I don't blame MNR for this because they are there. I got checked 3x last year and 2x this year. They are enforcing it. They just don't have enough bodies to cover the tributaries. And if they don't have the budget for that...Like I said. There are volunteers willing to step in to help. I'd give up 1 day of fishing for this purpose only. 

[Swing4Steel]

How will a roe ban help if the current regulations aren't enforced. There is a netting ban and pitchfork ban but that flies under the radar

[DILLIGAF?!]

Roe ban will not work. Roe is part of why most people even go after salmon. It's the method of catching salmon is the problem. Not everyone is content enough to stay hours and hours for 1-5 salmons. it's when frustration rear it's ugly head and drive people to think of faster way to get a salmon that's the problem. I have seen it a lot of times. People see the fish are there....rig up to the best of their knowledge. (not necessarily float set up or fly set up) Only to spend hours w/o catching one while the next guy was doing everything right. I really believe we anglers have seen more weird stuff on the water than MNR staff has ever seen.

[artimus001]

this annual argument is as old as the day is long. just be grateful that the salmon season is short (and thankfully almost over)

 

hoping for the MNR to physically be on the ground to actually do anything is a lost cause. there is just too much water, and too many anglers. if you think cells are ringing when the bite is on; you can well imagine how many start ringing when the MNR is at riverside.

 

calling the MNR to drop a dime on someone? even more of a waste of effort. the CO has to put more effort and time into a follow-up investigation and issuing a fine, then to issue a fine at riverside in person. unless someone is taking out trucks full of fish, all you are doing is wasting fishing time and cell minutes.

 

what is the difference between a spawned out dead salmon in the water/on the bank vs. one that has been harvested for roe?

can you even eat the salmon from Lake Ontario?

what are the possession limits for this zone?

what is the difference between stripping your own fish for roe, than buying roe that someone else stripped for you?

if you think " Eastern European" and "Asians" are unethical, and unconcerned; what can you say about the actions of "English" and "French" settlers when they first started taking from these waters and lands?

 

there is no viable, cost effective, solution for this problem, unless you are willing to forcefully insert yourself into the equation (shaming/street justice).

 

so you can either join the insanity, or stay home,,,,,,,,,,, or sit on a fishing forum and carry on until steelhead/hard water season starts, lol.

[FrequentFlyer]

this annual argument is as old as the day is long. just be grateful that the salmon season is short (and thankfully almost over)

 

hoping for the MNR to physically be on the ground to actually do anything is a lost cause. there is just too much water, and too many anglers. if you think cells are ringing when the bite is on; you can well imagine how many start ringing when the MNR is at riverside.

 

calling the MNR to drop a dime on someone? even more of a waste of effort. the CO has to put more effort and time into a follow-up investigation and issuing a fine, then to issue a fine at riverside in person. unless someone is taking out trucks full of fish, all you are doing is wasting fishing time and cell minutes.

 

1)what is the difference between a spawned out dead salmon in the water/on the bank vs. one that has been harvested for roe?

can you even eat the salmon from Lake Ontario?

what are the possession limits for this zone?

what is the difference between stripping your own fish for roe, than buying roe that someone else stripped for you?

 2) if you think " Eastern European" and "Asians" are unethical, and unconcerned; what can you say about the actions of "English" and "French" settlers when they first started taking from these waters and lands?

 

there is no viable, cost effective, solution for this problem, unless you are willing to forcefully insert yourself into the equation (shaming/street justice).

 

so you can either join the insanity, or stay home,,,,,,,,,,, or sit on a fishing forum and carry on until steelhead/hard water season starts, lol.

 

 

1) The difference is huge, the salmon you see stripped of roe have their bellies split and left for dead, even the males since some people can't tell the difference, when they are caught at the mouth of a river and are fresh in, this is illegal since you allowing the meat to spoil, regardless of whether the food guide says is safe to consume or not, you are still leaving a perfectly good fish to rot.

 

Possession limit is 5 on a sport licence, 2 on a conservation, possession limit includes roe as a single fish, so a person strips 5 fish a day for 3 days, they are OVER their possession limit by 10 fish.  You may only have 5 salmon in your possession at any one time, if you consume one, you can then keep one more.

 

The problem here is, the angling methods people are using, and blatantly over their lmits, also some don't even have a licence to fish, so what gives them the right to fish our waters to begin with?

 

The roe that is bought in store is harvested in a way that does not kill a fish.

 

Yes, the fish are eventually going to die, but that is besides the point. If you can't figure that out, then you are part of the problem.

 

2) True, the english and French settlers took advantage of a fishery, and almost killed it, this was LONG LONG LONG before any regulations were put in place.  They also worked to restore and rebuild the fishery that we have now.