Cleos are awesome off the pier.
They cast a mile and sink quickly.
Try this.
Cast out and let it sink using steamboat method. 1 steamboat 2 steamboat 3 steamboat.
Gives you an idea on your depth should you connect.
Retrieve rate slooooowwwwww.
Have always found early morning successful.
Tight lines
Thanks Tossing - It's tips like that that encouraged me to join the forum rather than just snoop as a guest. I'll try it and hopefully report with some success!