Thanks grey ghost and beatles.
Franktherabbit, sorry I didn't notice the other thread. I was too busy looking at the pics of the hogs I caught recently. Was too excited to even check if there was another thread.
was looking at the 475B model. it says a slow current is enough to take line off. i'm sure it's marketing but it still sounds like it might do the job. it will never be equivalent to a centre pin but its $81. so debating
http://www.alveyusa.com/products/salmonsteel.php