big hooks-- lesson learned

[punkrockerpj]

took my 4 year old daughter fishing this morning... that's not the lesson, she's a trooper.
the lesson learned is that I packed hooks that were way too big. we fished for trout and had a few on, but the hooks were way to big to set in. each time we had a hit, they spit the bait right out.

next time, I'll be bringing way smaller hooks in the tackle box. rookie mistake I wont be making again.

 

[Blair]

Been there... done that!

lol



Glad you had a chance to take the Little One out.

Always a great day when you do that.


After many years of fishing, I would ALWAYS recommend this:


1. SPIN CAST REEL & no more than a 5ft-5'6" medium rod for the kids

- The spin cast reel is the ULTIMATE in ease & use ( I have a Zebco 33 - good construction, great price! spooled with I think 8-10 lb mono)

- Its the push button release that can not be matched in simplicity by ANY other OPTION!


2. Number # 6 -8 octapus hook or Bait holder (perfect size for the Pannies ... and of course can handle anything else)

3. Spilt shot sinkers (easy to adjust, take on and off)

4. WORMS (always WORMS!) just a half piece is all it takes



The kids want to CATCH FISH! period.

Anything and Everything.



Keep it SIMPLE, COST EFFECTIVE and FUN!

 

[Blair]

Hit another post by accident.

 

[sunny14]

( Blair) "1. SPIN CAST REEL & no more than a 5ft-5'6" medium rod for the kids

- The spin cast reel is the ULTIMATE in ease & use ( I have a Zebco 33 - good construction, great price! spooled with I think 8-10 lb mono)

- Its the push button release that can not be matched in simplicity by ANY other OPTION!"

I KNOW this won't be a very Popular, Well Received Comment... BUT!! Forget Just The Kids! :grin:

A year or so ago, I HAD to use a Spin Cast Reel for a few days. To make a long story short... I now have three rods set up with them. They are incredibly easy to use and I can knock the eye out of a snake at 100.35 Feet! Jigging, Pitching, Topwaters, On The Mark!

Many Good Size Bass on them and a few Pike. No Problem at all!

You're right about the Zebco 33 Blair. Except the New Ones are Nylon/Plastic Gears. The Older ones are Brass Gears. I have 2 of those.

Look on any Retail Site and there are a Slew of them as compared to a couple of years ago, very few.

Okay Die Hard Fans ..... Fire Away!! :smile: :smile:

Rick.

 

[Blair]

To make a long story short... I now have three rods set up with them. They are incredibly easy to use and I can knock the eye out of a snake at 100.35 Feet! Jigging, Pitching, Topwaters, On The Mark!

You're right about the Zebco 33 Blair. Except the New Ones are Nylon/Plastic Gears. The Older ones are Brass Gears. I have 2 of those.

Look on any Retail Site and there are a Slew of them as compared to a couple of years ago, very few.

Rick.

OMG ... no jibbing here.

I got one of the older models (Brand new) and simply love it as well.

Told my brother, and he went out and got one as well! (Uses it out west - Calgary, for Bows & Bull Trout)


We grew up on these type of reels! and your right, you can cast with unbelievable accuracy.

It's a SHAME that many manufactures make a name for themselves and then SWITCH to some crappy plastic parts to "save" like $.05 cents.

(Brass bearings vs the nylon plastic) Why screw around with a basically good product?


*Every fall/winter the "Smartass" in me will deliberately take out the SpinCast Combo and go to either: Credit, Bronte in the height of the STEELHEAD season.
I just love to fish right by the guys with my $40 set up and slam some Steelies. I have even met some of my "buddies" on the tribs, and they dont even want to be seen with me!

It's Friggin hilarious! I do it to prove the point that if you know your water, and can use the SPIN CAST .... fish can be caught!
Get's some of the guys real pissed off.

(Course any good Float Man, does out fish me ... it's just the point)

 

[staffman]

took my 4 year old daughter fishing this morning... that's not the lesson, she's a trooper.
the lesson learned is that I packed hooks that were way too big. we fished for trout and had a few on, but the hooks were way to big to set in. each time we had a hit, they spit the bait right out.

next time, I'll be bringing way smaller hooks in the tackle box. rookie mistake I wont be making again.

You can buy child proof hooks at CT which will catch trout and your child is less likely to impale herself when using these compared to " normal " hooks.

 

[sunny14]

SORRY! Wrong Reply...... :blink:

 

[sunny14]

OMG ... no jibbing here.

I got one of the older models (Brand new) and simply love it as well.

Told my brother, and he went out and got one as well! (Uses it out west - Calgary, for Bows & Bull Trout)


We grew up on these type of reels! and your right, you can cast with unbelievable accuracy.

It's a SHAME that many manufactures make a name for themselves and then SWITCH to some crappy plastic parts to "save" like $.05 cents.

(Brass bearings vs the nylon plastic) Why screw around with a basically good product?


*Every fall/winter the "Smartass" in me will deliberately take out the SpinCast Combo and go to either: Credit, Bronte in the height of the STEELHEAD season.
I just love to fish right by the guys with my $40 set up and slam some Steelies. I have even met some of my "buddies" on the tribs, and they dont even want to be seen with me!

It's Friggin hilarious! I do it to prove the point that if you know your water, and can use the SPIN CAST .... fish can be caught!
Get's some of the guys real pissed off.

(Course any good Float Man, does out fish me ... it's just the point)

GEE Blair! I thought We'd get at least a few Guys with the .......

"You guys are a bunch of Sissies!" ..."Those Reels are for Kids or someone that doesn't know how to use a GOOD REEL!" ......"They're For Sunfish and litle wee Perch!" .... No Real Fisherman would be caught Dead using one of those Things!" :-D :-D

I guess we have to give it a few days...HUH?? :lol: :lol:

Bass Pro has the Zebco "Gold" 33 Series at $24.99. Anti Reverse, L or R Retrieve. Doesn't sound to bad!!?? (Pic Below)

They still carry the "Original 33" at $19.95.

Rick

 

[Blair]

lol


It's all about CHOICES.
To each man, their own preferences on gear.

I started not to "Worry" about what I may lose by switching up my set ups ... many years ago.
It's a rush to catch different species ( love the "Unexpected ones") on set ups not neccessarily designed for a particular target fish.

Change it up - Adds a different Thrill to the occassion.


With the SPIN CASTS you only have about 60 yds+ of line, but you know - 95% of the time you NEVER NEED MORE!
Me & my brother Steven always have a laugh that in general, your only using 20-30 ft of line to catch the majority of your fish.


Was reading a post on another Forum the other day, and some guy was telling another that he definately should get 400+ yds of 50+ lbs braid line to catch Salmon in the Tribs.
Not to make fun of someone, but seriously .... 4 FOOTBALL FIELDS of LINE to catch a salmon in a river? you kidding me
I dont even own a reel that could handle that much line.

You got to be DEEP SEA FISHING in the OCEAN to even come close to that kind of distance.
4 football fields, think about it!



*SMILES*

 

[staffman]

Many of us older fishermen grew up using spin cast gear and loved it. The zebco reels were IMO one of the best options available. Many years ago under slung spin cast reels were used in conjunction with long soft noodle rods for steelhaead before centrer pins became popular. Spin cast reels do have problems that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, that being the pin pick up system they employ. The line coming past the pin under pressure eventually cuts a grove in the spool of the reel by the pin rendering the reel somewhat useless. Some companies like Zebco use dual pick up pins to try to make the reel last longer. Zebco also produced a reel with a fluted skirt with multiple pick up points, but I guess this wasn't popular or was too expensive to produce so they did not use it. Once the line cuts through the spool after fighting large fish under drag the reel IMO becomes junk because the line may get cut by the groove or the line can get stuck in the groove when casting. Until more older anglers use these reels they likely will be cheaply made for the younger fishermen in our society and those of us that grew up with better made reels can only hope that someday a reel manufacturer will return to make a spin cast reel with decent components.

 

[sunny14]

Many of us older fishermen grew up using spin cast gear and loved it. The zebco reels were IMO one of the best options available. Many years ago under slung spin cast reels were used in conjunction with long soft noodle rods for steelhaead before centrer pins became popular. Spin cast reels do have problems that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, that being the pin pick up system they employ. The line coming past the pin under pressure eventually cuts a grove in the spool of the reel by the pin rendering the reel somewhat useless. Some companies like Zebco use dual pick up pins to try to make the reel last longer. Zebco also produced a reel with a fluted skirt with multiple pick up points, but I guess this wasn't popular or was too expensive to produce so they did not use it. Once the line cuts through the spool after fighting large fish under drag the reel IMO becomes junk because the line may get cut by the groove or the line can get stuck in the groove when casting. Until more older anglers use these reels they likely will be cheaply made for the younger fishermen in our society and those of us that grew up with better made reels can only hope that someday a reel manufacturer will return to make a spin cast reel with decent components.

GOOD Post "staffman". It's always good to get MORE Technical Information. I.E. I didn't know this before...... Now I do!

Thanks for Posting!

Rick

 

[NADO]

I love the idea of catching some steel or salmon on the unexpected setups. I just might have to take my vintage Mitchell out to the creek this year and hammer some bows lol. As far as the 400lbs of 50lb braid that is some serious overkill, even for the professional snaggers. With that being said a large amount of line when fishing fresh salmon in the river is key. I use 10lb mono and when a fresh chinny decides its heading back to the lake I found there isn’t much I can do to stop it. I have had some take at least 100-150 yards of line while only swimming in 2ft of water….all you can really do is follow them down stream. I think ill save the vintage reel for the steel, although it would definitely be quite the accomplishment to land a 30lb chinny on a 30 year old reel.

 

[Blair]

I love the idea of catching some steel or salmon on the unexpected setups. I just might have to take my vintage Mitchell out to the creek this year and hammer some bows lol. As far as the 400lbs of 50lb braid that is some serious overkill, even for the professional snaggers. With that being said a large amount of line when fishing fresh salmon in the river is key. I use 10lb mono and when a fresh chinny decides its heading back to the lake I found there isn’t much I can do to stop it. I have had some take at least 100-150 yards of line while only swimming in 2ft of water….all you can really do is follow them down stream. I think ill save the vintage reel for the steel, although it would definitely be quite the accomplishment to land a 30lb chinny on a 30 year old reel.

DO IT!
30 years ago ... they caught em.



* I once ran down the Trib about a mile, chasing a 25+ Plus chinny I had on with 4lb Mono. That was hilarious!

Basically, whatever he wanted to do was what I was doing. Eventually ended up "beaching himself" on some shallows rocks and sandbar.