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Chikikajimo Katarukuari

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Mind you I'm still fairly knew to fishing, and have a lot to learn, although I really enjoy it. It's the only thing I find I can do that gets me away from everything and puts me at peace.

My question is, why is it every second person insists on catch and release? Yeah I know it most likely has something to do with spawning and in the end, an endless abundance of fish forever, but what's your reasoning?

I love fishing, and most of what I catch I throw back unless it's 1. worthy of keeping based on size and 2. it's in season and within the limits.

Only thing more satisfying then catching a fish, is eating it. Especially if I'm camping/cottaging.
 
I honestly think it just comes down to personal preference. Some folks may tell you that if you keep 1 fish, you're a terrible person. However I like to believe that the MNR puts limits and regulations for a reason, otherwise if it were truly detrimental to the fishery to never keep one, they would say so (uh oh, I'm dangerously believing in something the gov't has done :p).

At the end of the day, it's the few who overindulge that put a bad name to those who want to fry up some fillets. Unfortunately, I think greed can take over common sense (which is hard enough to come by as it is),

There are two words that can never coexist in my opinion; greed and conservation. There are many anglers who support both sides of the equation, however let's hope that the majority are on the conserve side :)

I'm absolutely 100% up for cooking up a few fish from the day's work, however I have been witness to overindulgence on the lake in Quebec I used to frequent for fishing trips as a kid. When I was young, some of the locals would literally be hauling out wash basins full of fish, however non-residents would be getting stopped by the ministry and searched to such extremes that they were checking in our gas cans for fish.... Now, after a trip back to the lake this year, the place is ruined.

Just my opinion, I'm sure there are many others :)

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My father, more of a sportmans vs. meat hunter ( he would keep fish, but it was never greed ) would fish Sturgeon Lake for walleye opener and get into ridiculous amounts of fish. This was years ago. I remember going fishing 10 years ago with him and his goons and catch numerous fish. It would be safe to say that it was a good fishery with lots of fish to be caught. Fast forward to today... not what it used to be! Not even close, I'm sure there are guys who know the lake very well and still get into good numbers but the fishery has definitely experienced a decline. Whether its naturally occurring population dynamics, a disease that may have spread wiping out fish or something else, I bet "catch and not release" has had a huge impact.

From my understanding Nipissing used to be the place to be. It was over fished ( commercial ) and now the numbers and sizes of average fish are way down.

Nothing wrong with keeping fish. Be selective and don't be a greedy pig :)
 
I won't disagree with anything Madoc or Dozer said. Nothing wrong with keeping a fish or 2 for the table. I personally practice C&R for the most part, but if a fish is badly injured, then I will keep it. I don't go out looking to "limit out." If a certain species has a limit on it of 5 fish and I get 2 and know I have a good feed, I may let 10 go. I'm not out to fill my freezer. Actually I don't really find fish that have been frozen to be very good at all.
It's the "white bucket brigade" that is the problem, those who keep everything they catch no matter the size, folks who bring 4 kids and the wife with them so they can keep 6 limits.
I had fresh Speckled Trout for dinner last night, in my mind the best tasting fresh-water fish there is. I kept 3 that were bleeding yesterday, but released about 10. 3 is a good feed for me with some potatoes and other stuff.

Alfie.
 
My response is pretty specific to Small mouth bass, But I am pretty
sure it is applicable to other species also.

I am 54 years old and have fished the lower bruce peninsula
lakes and rivers since I was 10. I fish for Bass and Pike
(Pike: The larger ones, of which are few and far between now,
Why in the world would anyone keep and eat a Pike?).

Much has changed I believe due to the increase in population
(which of course means and increase in persons fishing, which
means an increase in fish killed every year).

I am an adamant catch & release guy. Have been my entire life.
If you cannot refrain yourself from keeping a fish
(Keeping, killing and then eating it) you should never
keep a large healthy fish. A large fish has a much better
chance of spawning successfully and passing it's 'large'
genes on to it's young.

In reference to Large and smallmouth bass:
When I say spawning successfully
I am referring to the ability of the male to protect the females
brood from predators. A small male does not have much of
a chance of doing so successfully.

I have empirical evidence for my last statement.
I am very familiar with Lake Huron on the west side of the peninsula
among the 'fishing islands'. I am aware of several places where the
smallmouth bass spawn. I visit these locations several times in June
to check on the spawning bass. I have seen young/nests survive the
Goby attacks when guarded by larger males (3Lb's +)while the smaller males
guarding young/nests are overwhelmed by the Goby.

See:
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@letsfish/documents/document/stdprod_095205.pdf
Topic 3.3 covers spawning. Read it carefully. It is clear if one likes to fish for
Bass, and likes to catch larger Bass, then you are directly at odd's with individuals
whom insist upon catching, keeping and eating larger Bass.

Also at the top of page 25:
"Maximum size limits, however, can be effective in protecting key brood stock bass,
particularly those greater than 35 cm. Protecting large bass is important in heavily
exploited areas and restrictions on size limits could be used to protect repeat
spawners (e.g. 7 years of age or older) (Pyzer 2002, OMNR 2006) and promote trophy
fisheries."

I have a cottage along the Sauble river. The 'Locals' swear that that part
of the river is only good fishing every four or five years or so.
So, every four or five years or so they descend upon 'My' section of the river
and proceed to take out EVERY smallmouth that is over 12". This goes on all
summer. I wonder why the fishing is only good every four or five years?. My guess
is the 'Indians' have nothing to do with it!.

Feel free to disregard topic 2.3 Future Range Expansion – Implications of a Warming Climate
in this document. the Ice coverage has increased by 60% this year (2013) and many of the
same scientist that where sucking off the teat of government research money are
now calling for a period of global cooling (no doubt to collect tax payer financing
for their study of the upcoming global cooling period!).

Do not get me wrong. Pumping CO2 into the atmosphere is certainly not a good
thing and we should stop it, but is 'Global Warming' really true or is it
simply a business?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57789

Pike: They do not 'protect' there nest/brood. With a lack of a significant
number of larger fish in the waters they tend to over-populate and stunt as evidenced
by the current condition of the inland lakes on the lower BP.
Many annoying 'Hammer Handle' Pike. And no, I do not believe that taking the 'Hammer Handle'
Pike out solves the problem, one should leave the larger Pike and Bass in the lake.
I am sure someone may take a counter point to this statement, but honestly we will
never know the answer unless the lakes are designated catch and release only.

Here is my very basic and straight forward assessment of
keeping caught fish:
1.) Do not do it. They do not taste very good anyways!

I am not railing here, nor do I mean to offend anyone. It's just that if
you love to fish the way I do why would you ever even consider keeping
any fish at all?

Tiago: If you read the MNR posting you will see why I believe that your
statement 'worthy of keeping based on size' is in direct conflict with
actually being able to catch a Bass of size.

MadocFlyGuy:
'At the end of the day, it's the few who overindulge that put a bad name to those
who want to fry up some fillets'
The problem with this statement is that I believe there are too many of
'those who want to fry up some fillets'.

Cheers!
 
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That last repsonse was way too long to read.

CnR once you follow what the MNR sets to, to hell with what anyone else thinks. I don't even eat fish. Espcially something that I have caught. People who know I go fishing ask me all the time to bring em something.

To me bringing home a fish or a few is my bragging rights sorta the tangibility to all those stories of fish that got away. For this reason we bought the sportsman licence. If you ask me, Ontario was "yours to discover" seems like fishing was the first thing to be discovered and has been exploted like a $2 hooker.

Like with anything in the sports world, there is "good sportsmanship" and "poor sportsmanship" however there are not enough referees in our game.
 
lol...Because the old thinking of our grand father and father was to Keep and eat it.Remember you grand pa telling you "back in my days...we were catching fish cast after cast" and they kept most of everything....Wierd how you can't do that anymore on most outings!



In the day we live in now it's about education and saving our resources...but some people or so self centered and want to keep everything for them self and think they know better then everybody else.

Listen...keeping a limit here and there isn't a bad thing...but if you go out every outing and keep a limit....I feel sorry for you!

As for keeping a trophy....It's so old school...now a days you have technologie who can make an exact replica of your catch that will last longer and look better.

You also have video and Pictures available in your pocket. So why not practice catch and release most of the time?
 
Im a CnR guy because 1. I dont eat fish and 2. I want the future generations to be able to experience the thrill of fishing. From the stories I herd growing up, Fishing was unreal back in the days compared to now. I have seen so many lakes and ponds fished out ( im sure WBB had lots to do with this, but thats a whole different topic). And knowing that out MNR is really underfunded just make me feel lakes will go dry fast, at least around the GTA.

Got nothing against people who keep fish, to each their own.
Just know your limits and stay within it, sorta like the OLG slogan lol
 
The limits in southern ont are crazy high. They are leading us down a road where every water south of severn will be C and R in no time. Lower trout limits (1) would be the only way to let the systems stay productive.

As for pike, why would we eat our top predators of lakes and large rivers? Take them out and we'll be left with carp, catfish, and goby. Also, why would we want to poison ourselves with all the metals that make their way up the food chain?
 
I hate to say it, but the regs are a joke. People can currently keep atlantics out in the lake and up to 5 brown trout. I'm sure some do.
 
Dozer you have it down to a science brother.lol. Sturgeon lake was one of the lakes used in a case study which led to today's slot limits in the kawarthas
 
The extremes on both sides of the catch vs. release spectrum are no good. :(

The past few years though, I see and here a lot more out of the peta lovers. Heaven forbid someone take a picture of a muddy fish or keep a couple for the pan.....

Back to your original question though.

I think some people like to try to educate others that keeping everything isn't good for the fishery, which is a good thing. Some others though like to constantly preach that you should release everything and the whole fishing world will come to an end if you don't. I think it gives them the almighty I'm a better sportsman than thou type feeling or something along those lines. Who really knows though...

I think its a learning curve. A lot of people keep just about everything when they first start fishing, then slowly evolve to do more C&R.

My 2 cents....
 
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