I need advice for fishing with beads and spawn sacks

[JoeSamsung2013]

I was wondering what ways work best for catching Steelhead/Rainbow Trout with spawn and beads. I see people using these methods all the time and catching lots, but I never have any luck at all so I'5m thinking maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Spawn: I have been curing single Chinook Salmon eggs with Pautzke fire o' cure in pink colour and putting them in a sack some of around 4 to 7 eggs inside, Not sure what size of single hooks I've been using but they haven't been big.

Spawn Questions: How many eggs work best putting in a sack with what size of hook ?

Beads: I've tried three different sizes of beads orange, yellow and yellow/orange blood dot and I've also tried using nail polish on them and still no luck, Also using small hooks.

Bead Questions: What size of beads, hooks and nail polish work best ?

For both: I've been using trout bobbers, Using 3 or 4 small sinkers. What's the proper hook up ways for spawn sacks and beads ? ,How far from bobber, Size sinkers and how far from bead or spawn sack

I've been fishing on the saugeen river where I know Steelhead/Rainbow Trout are in with water somewhat shallow but with fast moving rapids.

I also have Luhr Jensen plastic eggs in orange and pink and I also have Berkley trout cluster eggs in orange colour, I've tried but never have any luck with these, What's the best ways to use/fish these?

Any answers to my questions and anything else/tips would be greatly appreciated.

 

[wlatyn]

Are you using a float Rod/centrepin setup? If so, the Raven website has a good primer on setting up your float/split shot.
It looks like you have the right assortment of baits, maybe just tone down the colours, especially when water is lower.... a bit smaller size roe bags tied in peach and white; same with beads...Peach, pale yellow and pale chartreuse.

 

[Knuguy]

I understand that very few fish are being caught on the Geen. Maybe you are not doing very much 'wrong' at all.

 

[AaronKrick]

I agree with RR, ccheck out the raven website, specifically the shotting patterns. if you really want to use roe, use a natural cure or just buy it from fishheads. Not saying the pautzke doesn't work, but in clearer water I don't see the use in it. Clear water = smaller bags and beads. I barely fish roe anymore and have a wide selection of beads from 6mm to 12mm. This time of year focus on mostly 10 and 8, make sure you have a few orangeish colours to imitate fresh eggs, a few peachish ones and a white bead. For 10mm I use #4 daiichi X510 or raven wide gap #6. Make sure you peg it well or it slides down and can block the hook point if youre using to small of a hook.

If people around you aren't catching much, you cant feel too bad.

 

[Shmogley]

raven shotting patterns, google it.

when i was new at the game that one guide put me into fish overnight.

even on a fly rod the same basic rules apply, albeit with less hardware involved

you want the hook to be a slightly larger gap then the bead or roughly the same as the spawn sack imo.
if you catch lots of smolts and small fish in the same spot go with a smaller hook or you can do some nasty damage to juvenile fish.

biggest mistake i see with rigs is people dont have enough space between their last weight (the swivel usually) and the hook.
dont go too long but at least a foot. more if the waters clear. i like a nice 18 inch lead/tippet for 90% of situations

ive been getting more success on white or creamy colored beads rather then orange/greens. im guessing because it looks more natural like an egg thats been in the water for an amount of time. but that doesnt always apply

good luck bud

 

[rich_ace_G]

All of the rigs mentioned will work under the right circumstances. Also consider where you are, time of day or you are in a spot very visible to the trouts. Polarized sunglasses will help you spot them easy. I have seen people casting blindly while I saw trout right under their feet. If beads don't work, go for eggs, if eggs won't work, maybe a fly will...don't be afraid to change your offering.

 

[artimus001]

as well.... if your not get hung up now and then, your not fishing deep enough.

 

[fisgfreek]

Do the leg work find the pools locate the fish apply your learning don't be afraid to switch it up. If you stick to one presentation same size and depth , you will be watching others land the fish. Think outside the box,have fun.

 

[artimus001]

now is the time to start with the ice bath and knot tying sessions. having someone throw cotton balls at you helps with setting the scene.

 

[Shmogley]

as well.... if your not get hung up now and then, your not fishing deep enough.

this is good advice too. you want to be knocking bottom every few drifts or so, if its every drift you are too long and if its never hitting , you are too short.

 

[Jforza]

now is the time to start with the ice bath and knot tying sessions. having someone throw cotton balls at you helps with setting the scene.

that's too funny... but also true, Saturday was much like that

 

[NADO]

The Geen can be a tough river to get started on but the reward at the end is worth it. To get started I would suggest a basic setup as I still use this setup on the Geen fairly often myself.

- put your float on the line and put a swivel on the end of the line, I use an 8 gram float on the green right now and when the water is higher i'll use anywhere from 10-15 gram floats
- attach another swivel above the float about 6' up the line. This will help you deal with line twist, you want to put the swivel up high enough that you are able to change the depth of your rig but not too high that its hard to cast
- for the shots just do a simple bulk shot right above the swivel at the bottom of your line, the green has a strong flow and this will ensure your bait is getting down into the strike zone which is the most important part.
- attach 20" of 8-10lb flurocarbon as your leader, don't worry about going too heavy on the leader as I find it really doesn't make much of a difference
- for bait I would suggest sticking with beads, orange and chartreuse work great on the green in 8 and 10 mm

Don't worry about not catching anything yet, the water is still low and the fishing is slow so lots of guys are going home with nothing.

 

[BERRRG]

Lots of people seem to be saying beads over roe... Why is it that beads are more effective than roe? It seems counter intuitive yet I've experienced first hand how effective beads can be.

 

[rich_ace_G]

bead represent single egg. which is ideal for trout. roe can be very good too. although I love going for smaller beads.

 

[cb1331]

If I rig up beads, do I set them 2 in. up from the hook? Looking to do standard float shot rig, then put single bead 2in up from hook?

 

[BERRRG]

CB,

I think 2" would be good. Personally go about 1.5". Also make sure your hook is not smaller than your bead or the bead will kind of guard the hook.

 

[cb1331]

Good advice. Thanks berg. I'll try this tomorrow.

 

[tossing iron]

I must confess I picked up some beads last year. Just to try as a more stealth shot not as my main bait. I run them with fly single egg or some other tandem. Cause in my day you'd be going for a swim if other fisherman spotted a bare hook. Lol