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Hi guys,

I am heading up to the French River for a fishing trip in 2 weeks and I had a quick question...

I have been advised to bring some leaders to use to avoid line breaks and getting my lures chewed off. I went out to the store to take a look and was a little overwhelmed by the options. Materials: stainless steel leaders, black wire leaders, nylon covered wire leaders. Sizes: anywhere from 6" to 20"+ and all different sorts of line weights. Also, I was watching a fishing show on the weekend and they recommended flurocarbon leaders because, among other benefits, they are more humane to the fish because if they roll they will not be cut by the leader. The only flurocarbon leaders I saw were 125 lbs test. Would that be a little overkill?

I have never used leaders before so I am a complete novice when it comes to the subject. Any information or advice that anyone can throw my way would be extremely helpful.


Thanks,
Mike
 
Hi guys,

I am heading up to the French River for a fishing trip in 2 weeks and I had a quick question...

I have been advised to bring some leaders to use to avoid line breaks and getting my lures chewed off. I went out to the store to take a look and was a little overwhelmed by the options. Materials: stainless steel leaders, black wire leaders, nylon covered wire leaders. Sizes: anywhere from 6" to 20"+ and all different sorts of line weights. Also, I was watching a fishing show on the weekend and they recommended flurocarbon leaders because, among other benefits, they are more humane to the fish because if they roll they will not be cut by the leader. The only flurocarbon leaders I saw were 125 lbs test. Would that be a little overkill?

I have never used leaders before so I am a complete novice when it comes to the subject. Any information or advice that anyone can throw my way would be extremely helpful.


Thanks,
Mike

Look for their trout stuff. There should be fluorocarbon leaders that are like 2lb, 3lb all the way to like 15-20lb. They come in little plastic spools.
 
Look for their trout stuff. There should be fluorocarbon leaders that are like 2lb, 3lb all the way to like 15-20lb. They come in little plastic spools.

Hey CJR,

Thanks for the reply.

Are you talking about buying a spool of flurocarbon and tying my own leaders? If so, I haven't really thought about that. I've just been looking at the pre-setup leaders with the swivels and snaps.

I'm open to anything really. I just want something strong but something won't spook the fish from biting and something that won't kill the action on my lures. I also don't want any pike chomping my lures off the line.

What would be a good line weight to go with in a leader?
 
By the way, CJR pointers (Advice) is excellent! Flouro offers the BEST in leader material


Wanted to give you my 2 cents lol ... and maybe all that's worth.

For the past 15 years, I have not used a LEADER while pike fishing (Walleye, Bass, Carp)
*Trout is the exception


I use 8-10 or 12 lbs mono line (Good name brand) and tie either directly to the lure or use a small snap swivel rated at 20-30 lbs.

I have had practically 0% issues with losing any Pike!



TO EACH their own (Always) ....


But my experience has led to determine that the Leader:

hinders lure actions
causes more tangles
picks up more weeds
Cost more money
Takes more time to tie

... and is "Seldom" a factor when landing BIG PIKE.


If you are static fishing with Minnows or BAIT, then of course there is much more chance of a DEEP SET ie: then more chance of a toothy break off.
This is only when I will consider a leader.


Just my thoughts! *SMILES*
I am also certainly not "bragging" (Far from it) but can very easily point out some of my PIKE REPORTS this season alone.


No leaders used.



What ever you choices, be comfortable with the setup.
Have a great and productive Trip!



Good Luck
 
Hey CJR,

Thanks for the reply.

Are you talking about buying a spool of flurocarbon and tying my own leaders? If so, I haven't really thought about that. I've just been looking at the pre-setup leaders with the swivels and snaps.

I'm open to anything really. I just want something strong but something won't spook the fish from biting and something that won't kill the action on my lures. I also don't want any pike choming my lures off the line.

What would be a good line weight to go with in a leader?

Yeah, basically that, tie your own, I believe it would be cheaper in the long run and you could always adjust the length of the leader to whatever you choose. You can attach it to your main line using a knot or a two way swivel.

For pike I'd personally use a metal leader, or very strong flourocarbon. For anything else, 8-10lb flourocarbon should suffice. imho
 
Yeah, basically that, tie your own, I believe it would be cheaper in the long run and you could always adjust the length of the leader to whatever you choose. You can attach it to your main line using a knot or a two way swivel.

For pike I'd personally use a metal leader, or very strong flourocarbon. For anything else, 8-10lb flourocarbon should suffice. imho

Yep. For pike leaders can be anywhere from 20-40lb, guys that target pike and musky often step up their fluro leader size and will run very strong braid as their main line.

I personally go with Blairs approach. Ive always preached that I have only lost a handful of pike due to not using leaders. However this summer that has changed, I have lost around 7 or 8 pike in two consectutive weekends of fishing due to no leaders. Ill probably still end up sticking to my no leader method, partially because 80% of the time that I target pike I will also target bass.
 
Yep. For pike leaders can be anywhere from 20-40lb, guys that target pike and musky often step up their fluro leader size and will run very strong braid as their main line.

I personally go with Blairs approach. Ive always preached that I have only lost a handful of pike due to not using leaders. However this summer that has changed, I have lost around 7 or 8 pike in two consectutive weekends of fishing due to no leaders. Ill probably still end up sticking to my no leader method, partially because 80% of the time that I target pike I will also target bass.


LOL ....

not at losing the fish ... at the fact that "Some day" I might just be back with the leader!

Never say Never


So far, no problimo...
 
Thanks for all the input everyone.

Blair - I've checked out your pike reports and appreciate your wisdom. Those are some nice fish.

I picked up some metal leaders in different lengths to take with me. I'll also grab a small spool of flurocarbon to tie my own just so that I have options.

I'll try out the no-leader approach because I don't want to hinder the action of my lures, however, if I lose one of my live target lures, leader it is!


Cheers,
Mike
 
Has anyone been around here been up to the French yet this year? I'm trying to find some reports of what to expect but can't seem to find anything current.

The only thing I'm getting from google is from other fishing forums and the posts are back from 2009 and 2010. People mostly saying that the fishing there is not what it used to be. I'm hoping they just didn't know what they were doing :p
 
I was doing some more cruising around for information on this topic and I found a great article on the Outdoor Canada website.

I know it's answering my own question but I figured I'd through it up for anyone searching for info about leaders in the future.

Leader logic

By Gord Pyzer

It wasn’t long ago that fishing with a leader tagged you as a muskie or pike angler, a fly-fisher or a novice. How times have changed. With the popularity of today’s braided and gel-spun super-lines, leaders have taken on a whole new meaning. This is especially true for bass, walleye, trout, salmon and panfish anglers. In the past, they simply tied lures to the ends of their monofilament. Now, fluorocarbon and flexible stainless steel and nickel titanium leaders have completely rewritten the playbook. Here’s what you need to know.

Fluorocarbon
It’s generally agreed that super-line is vastly superior to monofilament for many reasons, not the least of which being its resilience. You can spool a round braid onto your baitcaster or a flat gel-spun onto your spinning reel and almost forget about it. Why? Super-lines are virtually unaffected by heat and sunlight and seemingly last forever. In fact, some gel-spuns made from Micro-Dyneema become softer and more manageable and function better the longer you use them.

Along with their extreme sensitivity, low-stretch super-lines are also very thin, enabling you to cast lures farther and get them deeper. You can also feel strikes better and set the hook faster. However, they have a drawback: they’re visible under water. So, what to do? The answer is simple—attach a fluorocarbon leader.

Fluorocarbon is an ideal material for this purpose because it’s virtually invisible to fish. It reflects light to the same degree as water does, so it blends in completely beneath the surface. And with fluorocarbon, you can even get away with using a leader that’s at least two to four pounds stronger than your main line. If you’re fishing with 10-pound-test braided or gel-spun super-line, for example, you can use a 12- or 14-pound fluorocarbon leader. The key is to attach it with back-to-back uni-knots to form a strong, seamless connection that will run smoothly through your rod guides (see directions, below).

You can also use heavier fluorocarbon leaders for toothy critters. Muskie and pike anglers are now fashioning 80- to 100-pound-plus fluorocarbon leaders to replace the metal ones they’ve traditionally used. Many muskie hunters also praise fluorocarbon’s invisibility, as though hiding the leader from a fish big enough to gnaw off your arm is somehow important when you’re throwing a gaudy, raucous, feather-festooned, foot-long lure.

The real benefits of using fluorocarbon for muskies and pike are the line’s flexibility and resistance to abrasion. You can simply work most big muskie and pike baits better with a heavy fluorocarbon leader than you can with one fashioned from wire. So, are metal leaders going the way of the dodo? Hardly.

Stainless steel
In an odd twist of sorts, as more and more muskie and pike anglers move away from metal leaders, an equal number of walleye and bass anglers are embracing them. More specifically, they’re turning to stainless steel leader material that can be tied. American Fishing Wire’s Surflon Micro Supreme, for example, is amazing. I’ve used it on at least half of my walleye and bass rods for the past five or six years.

The reasons for its stellar performance are many and varied, starting with the fact that pike and muskies can’t bite you off when you’re fishing with light line for bass, walleye or lake trout. At the end of the day, you’ll not only still have that fancy $30 jerkbait hanging from the end of your line, you’ll also have landed some bonus big pike or muskies.

But can wary bass, walleye and trout spot the leader in clear water, and does the material hinder the action of your lures? The simple answer is no. Constructed of 49 hairlike strands of stainless steel wire, the leader is thinner than comparable strength monofilament or fluorocarbon line, especially in the 13-pound-test, .013-inch-diameter size I favour for bass and walleye fishing.

At the same time, it’s soft and flexible. Being no-stretch, it’s also sensitive, so you can feel when fish bite and set the hook quickly. By no mere coincidence, saltwater anglers are now using it in the ultra-clear waters of the Caribbean to fool the most introverted, tackle-shy, toothy critters swimming in the ocean.

But here’s the best part. You can snip off whatever length of leader you prefer and tie it to your braid, gel-spun, monofilament or fluorocarbon main line using any of your favourite knots. I stick with the standard back-to-back uni-knots for the main line to leader connection and an improved clinch knot for attaching the lure to the leader.

That said, when I’m fishing topwaters I’ll use a perfection loop, surgeon’s loop or Rapala knot if I plan to walk-the-dog or otherwise impart maximum motion. And yes, you read that correctly. I now regularly use short, invisible, four- to six-inch snippets of Surflon Micro Supreme stainless steel wire when throwing small surface baits for bass in pike- and muskie-plagued waters.

Nickel Titanium
For another metal leader option that you can tie on and just forget about for the rest of the day, try nickel titanium. Originally developed for dentists to make braces, this space-age material comes in 30-foot-long coils in either single or multi-strand versions. Terminator makes the most popular variety. I like the tackle maker’s 20-pound-test, single-strand size as it’s incredibly thin—only .012 inches in diameter—and therefore nearly invisible. Nickel titanium is perfect for fashioning finesse jerkbait and crankbait leaders when you’re fishing for bass, walleye and even panfish in lakes and rivers where pike and muskies prowl. I call it “crankbait insurance.”

For the thinnest nickel titanium, use a simple Albright knot (see right) to attach the leader to the end of your main line. To fasten the lure to the leader, use a standard clinch knot. Don’t sweat it if you can’t pull the clinch knot perfectly tight; nickel titanium is so flexible, it’s difficult to bind completely but the integrity of the knot won’t be compromised in any way.

If I need to make a heavier custom leader for pike and muskie, meanwhile, I use 70-pound-plus-test, crimps, swivels and snaps. On that note, if tying and crimping nickel titanium sounds like too much effort, you can buy superb pre-fashioned leaders made by Canadian tackle whiz Bernard Yong-Set. I don’t know how he pulls the knots so tight on his lightest Stringease leaders. And his heavier, toothy-critter leaders feature dual rotating ball-bearing swivels and Stay-Lok snaps. They’re all works of art and cost so little that making your own is hardly worth the effort.

I think the same about Terminator’s nickel titanium leaders. I once used and abused a 15-strand, low-vis, gun-metal black Terminator leader for an entire muskie season and it was as straight, flexible and strong at the end of the season as the day I tied it on.

Attaching a piece of fluorocarbon or flexible stainless steel to your main line is simple using back-to-back uni-knots. Here’s how:

1. Start by laying five to six inches of your leader line alongside your main line and form a loop with one of the ends.
2. Wrap the end six times around both lines.
3. Moisten the knot and pull it tight.
4. Repeat above with the tag end of your main line.
5. Moisten the connection between the two knots and pull them tight.


The article above can be found at: http://outdoorcanada.ca/22452/fishing/tips-fishing/leader-logic
 
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