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Im ready to purchase a boat and have been looking high and low. Ive never bought a boat before and just got my license. I am a musky fisherman who mostly fishes the upper and lower Niagara River, as well as the French River/Nippissing. I want a Lund. Price range up to $20K, and am ok with used or new. If some of you could weigh in with your experience, Id love to hear from you. Here are a few of my questions/concerns. Thanks!

  • Im currently looking at a Lund Rebel 1650. The concern I have is that they are only 16 feet. Im worried about wave splash into the boat and overall stability. My question is would a 17 or 18 foot Lund be significantly better in terms of staying dry and stable on the inside? Or is a 16 good enough. I can afford this boat brand new.
  • Im staying away from boats that have the full windscreen across the width because I think it can be a bit of a space sucker, and harder to get around the boat when the big fish hits! A buddy of mine has a boat with just a screen on the drivers cockpit and I think I prefer that. Does this make sense?
  • For the 16 foot Lund, Im looking at a used one that has a 75hp motor on it (Merc). Ive been reading that this is too heavy for this type of boat. I dont know if anyone could advise on this but thought Id put it out there.
  • How important is getting a new boat vs getting a used one. Does it really matter much?
 
This is a Lund 1650 Rebel XL SS

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I'm no expert but I have some time in the Coast Guard on RHIBs and will try to help you out a bit.

The boat length is not going to effect dryness of the boat in my opinion, unless you're really giving 'er in the chop and even then water and weather conditions are going to be the biggest variables. Most fishing boats aren't meant for brutal conditions anyway and probably due to comfort you'll find yourself fishing in good water conditions anyway. Boat length will probably help with getting through the chop when you're taking it head on. A shorter boat, in my opinion, will find itself in the troughs more and is more apt to stuffing the nose in the oncoming wave on the way down. But I'm not sure how much a difference the 2' between a 16' and an 18' will really make. A V-shaped hull should help more in choppier water, it will sit lower in the water and be more stable. I think this is why your deep-water walleye boats, for example, are a V-shaped hull, whereas your bass boats don't draw as much in the water and have low decks because they're meant for the shallows. A 16' should be a bit more maneuverable than an 18' in the docks and in tight spots.

Windscreen is really only useful for the ride to and from your fishin' holes. It's a nice feature that you probably will never need when actually fishing. There are times in the rain or when the bugs are heavy that you will wish you had a windshield of some sort. The rain can hurt like a bitch at high speeds and the bugs are just annoying. I always wore a cheap pair of goggles on our boats.

As for the engine, the manufacturer should list the HP and/or weight range each hull can handle. There are also hull speeds that have to be considered. If it's the motor that came with the boat, from the dealer/manufacturer, it's likely fine. If not, you'd want to look into it further IMO.

If you're going to buy used the biggest thing is probably how the boat has been maintained. Things to consider would be the hull itself, and if it's a steering wheel boat you have all the cables to consider. There's a lot more that can go wrong while you're out on the water with a steering wheel boat than with a simple tiller boat. The biggest thing to consider with used would be the motor. I'm not experienced with this but if I were buying used and spending a decent chunk of cash I'd be asking about the motor, asking for receipts/logs, asking for the hours on it, maybe having a mechanic look it over. Often when buying used you may not be able to start up the motor and check it out because it won't be in the water. Motors are expensive. Trailers are another thing that have probably not been maintained as well with used boats, I would make sure the tires are in good shape and the brake and signal lights are in working order. All of this is stuff you don't have to worry about if you were buying new. You may buy used for what you think is a good price only to find that there is actually quite a bit of money that needs to be put into the boat upon further inspection.

Consider the cost of all the safety gear you need as well. Depending on boat type and size you will also need things like fire extinguishers, paddles, life jackets, bailers, a VHF radio (you legally have to be monitoring channel 16), etc. You can find a list of the necessary (and legally mandatory) safety gear online. Make sure you know the "rules of the road" so to speak, and can navigate through channels, etc. A depth finder will help you keep the boat in enough water. Then there is insurance, storage in the off-season, a vehicle that can tow it, etc. If you ever get in trouble out on the water call *16 on your cell and the CG will come get ya.

Hope I haven't over-simplified things and that this all helps.
 
My buddy has the new rebel, it's best powered by the 60hp. There can be a big difference between a 16 and an 18 foot boat in rougher weather. Hull design also plays a part. I have what effectively is the old style rebel 16 with a 50hp, he has the newer rebel. His boat is much deeper and wider than mine. My boat is pretty seaworthy, but if I had to pick a boat to be in a chop with, I'd choose his. I have spent quite a bit of time fishing Lake Ontario in another friends 18 foot pro V. That boat is hands down better than either rebel when the lake turns ugly. That said, the new rebel is a great boat, and you can do a lot with them. I have a side console boat, but if I where buying new I would go with a full windshield. The side consoles offer a minimum of protection for the driver. I still wear goggles if it's crappy out. Alumacraft has some pretty nice boats out there also, and you can usually get them paired with a yamaha, which I would prefer any day over a black anchor. Can't go wrong with Lund though. Used boats are like used cars. It all depends on the previous owner and if they took care of it. You can get some excellent deals, but there are some dogs for sale also. If your unfamiliar have the boat checked over by a reputable marina before committing to purchase. By the way, you are not obligated to have a VHF radio or monitor channel 16. Nice to have one though.
 

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