Salmon Q's

[jlisk]

Who is to decide if it is for CONSUMPTION or NOT

http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/en/water/fishguide/guides.php

 

[Klamp]

The letter of the law will defend you. Regardless of how a CO personally sees the situation, his actions are solely based upon the law that he enforces.

From a legal standpoint, which I can professionally comment on, it's not the law that defends you but how it is interpreted in court. Several other factors such as precedent can also influence what happens to you. The law regarding 'fit for human consumption' seems like a good example. This can be interpreted many ways.

Judging by the fines levied by the courts it seems like the cards are stacked against most people who find themselves facing charges. Then again I don't know the volume of cases that are either dismissed or otherwise have insignificant penalties.

 

[emirribolov]

http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/en/water/fishguide/guides.php

I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT, MY BAD.
FROM NOW ON I WILL THROW ALL MY FISH ON RIVER BANK SINCE FISH FROM LAKE ONTARIO AND RIVERS AROUND ARE NOT SAFE TO EAT.
COM ON GUYS WE ALL NOW THAT WEE HAVE TO KEEP OUR RIVERS AND LAKES NEAT AND CLEAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IF NOT US WHO ELSE WILL.
I KNOW I WILL NEVER DO SUCH A THING

 

[jlisk]

^Huh?

I just posted the guide to eating out of lake Ontario. I figured it would be good to determine what is "fit" and what is "unfit" for human consumption. I personally wouldn't slit a salmon for roe but if someone does I would rather have them toss it in the bushes/river or maybe bury it under some rocks then toss it in the garbage.

Its like free composting!

 

[RiverNinja]

From a legal standpoint, which I can professionally comment on, it's not the law that defends you but how it is interpreted in court. Several other factors such as precedent can also influence what happens to you. The law regarding 'fit for human consumption' seems like a good example. This can be interpreted many ways.

Judging by the fines levied by the courts it seems like the cards are stacked against most people who find themselves facing charges. Then again I don't know the volume of cases that are either dismissed or otherwise have insignificant penalties.

Yes, lawyers will try and manipulate/interpret the letter of the law as they see fit.. but I assure you that by simply testing a lake O salmon, that anyone would be vindicated of these charges... -The levels of cadmium alone would warrant an express ticket to freedom.

Are you an attorney?
I worked for a major Bay St law firm for well over a decade and kept all their equity partners happy. :grin:

 

[RiverNinja]

I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT, MY BAD.
FROM NOW ON I WILL THROW ALL MY FISH ON RIVER BANK SINCE FISH FROM LAKE ONTARIO AND RIVERS AROUND ARE NOT SAFE TO EAT.
COM ON GUYS WE ALL NOW THAT WEE HAVE TO KEEP OUR RIVERS AND LAKES NEAT AND CLEAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IF NOT US WHO ELSE WILL.
I KNOW I WILL NEVER DO SUCH A THING

Do you understand the cycle of a salmon's life? You do realize that these fish were all going to die, right?

Is it right to slit the fish and leave it on the river bank?... No.. But it's not illegal to do so.

 

[NADO]

I see the word tribs used a lot. What does it mean?

Anyone want to take a shot at my second question regarding how come there are no other species in the river? not even crayfish?

NOPE lol, this thread is no longer about your initial topic and is now only focused on hot topic debating haha. Its typical of this time of year, certain things being said will derail ANY thread they are said in.

Trib = a stream or river that flows into a main river or a lake. For example Credit River is a tributary of Lake Ontario and Conestogo River is a tributary of the Grand River

As for the other species in the river they are there, just not where you can see them. Although in alot of those Eastern Ditches the other species present must be much smaller than other rivers with more flow. When you go back put a worm on bottom in some of the deeper pools and you should find some other species.

 

[ChaseChrome]

Here you go you read it i now. I do my homework. Last paragraph.

I KNEW I had missed something there...though the language tarries with the "idea" of what is considered suitable...
Matter of some interpretation and ergo, the conflicting response from COs


I have visited this issue so many times before and always creates quite a froth. Whether one (or the MNR) conceives Chinook as "suitable" for consumption or not doesn't address the wanton slaughter of heathy hens.

IMO

Buy alternatives, drift naturals...unless of course one is in the habit of drifting golfball sized skein

Guys who want to cure their own spawn will invariably harvest it (hopefully not steelhead, preferably not from ANY fish)

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[ChaseChrome]

yeah man, that's a GB fish, another neat thing about that one is that it had a small perfectly round indent in the jaw about the width of the gap on the #10 away from where my hook went in...i figure it was CnR as a little one and had the same strike as a bigun...absolutely delicious fish!

GB fish are a nice feed for sure...last one I had was Splake some years ago...

 

[ChaseChrome]

^Huh?

I just posted the guide to eating out of lake Ontario. I figured it would be good to determine what is "fit" and what is "unfit" for human consumption. I personally wouldn't slit a salmon for roe but if someone does I would rather have them toss it in the bushes/river or maybe bury it under some rocks then toss it in the garbage.

Its like free composting!

Cats would likely do ANYTHING for a fish feed ...

 

[Klamp]

Yes, lawyers will try and manipulate/interpret the letter of the law as they see fit.. but I assure you that by simply testing a lake O salmon, that anyone would be vindicated of these charges... -The levels of cadmium alone would warrant an express ticket to freedom.

They do test Lake Ontario salmon, I'm sure you know that. They also publish consumption recommendations. Good luck in court fighting the Ministry of Health/Labs who acknowledge you can consume them (albeit 1 a month) without any significant health risk.

 

[RiverNinja]

My apologies OP, It was not my intent to derail the thread...

I will bow out now, :-|

 

[Klamp]

The other aspect of the law I'd challenge is the physical state of the fish and whether it's fit for consumption. This is as I said, an interpretation. If the fish is clearly in bad shape, it may be obvious to most people that it is not fit for consumption. At that point it's you against the Crowns experts. Take lots of photos. :mrgreen:

 

[NADO]

They do test Lake Ontario salmon, I'm sure you know that. They also publish consumption recommendations. Good luck in court fighting the Ministry of Health/Labs who acknowledge you can consume them (albeit 1 a month) without any significant health risk.

Most salmon caught in the River would be well over 26" so that would make them all not suitable by that standard.

 

[ChaseChrome]

Seems one of the issues that raises ire from both camps of committed anglers is the improper and undignified manner with which fish are oftentimes handled...

I've posted an article elsewhere: here is an excerpt for your consideration (ADMITTEDLY IT'S A POLEMIC...don't shoot me)

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There's an informal stairway built into the face of the steep ravine. As I make my way up, the entire length of the traverse is littered with orange pearls, beautifully translucent, sumptuous orange orbs--salmon eggs. Squandered generations of Olympian fish I think to myself. I crest the ravine and come upon a butchery stall, a place where anglers have their kill filleted and bagged. This goes on all season--hundreds of fish every day. On other occasions I often have to quell the disdain I feel for those whom it isn't enough to cull fish from a finite resource, but shamefully drag their fish from a rope over and through whatever terrain they are walking. (Perhaps, rather than devoting themselves to all things NASCAR, a cursory read of Coles Notes [font="arial][size="3"]

on the Iliad, and the moral consequence for the "hero" who effectuates an indignity on the dead body of Hector by dragging him behind his chariot around the walls of Troy, might prove instructive.) There is something of a Lockean proviso operative here--that most Americans, some Canadians, people such as the Irvings and robber barons alike, fatuously claim an entitlement to what (through their delusion of what constitutes "effort" and "labour") they have taken from nature. It is quite like casting pearls before swine.[/size][/font]

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[RiverNinja]

They do test Lake Ontario salmon, I'm sure you know that. They also publish consumption recommendations. Good luck in court fighting the Ministry of Health/Labs who acknowledge you can consume them (albeit 1 a month) without any significant health risk.

The chart you posted would put all salmon that migrate for spawning as unfit for consumption... So, I would not need any luck in court, as I would still be out fishing. :mrgreen:

 

[RiverNinja]

The other aspect of the law I'd challenge is the physical state of the fish and whether it's fit for consumption. This is as I said, an interpretation. If the fish is clearly in bad shape, it may be obvious to most people that it is not fit for consumption. At that point it's you against the Crowns experts. Take lots of photos. :mrgreen:

If it's obvious to most people, why would I need to prove anything to the "Crown experts"?

Again, let me say that the information I received was first hand, from individuals who work for the MNR and enforce their laws.

 

[ChaseChrome]

My apologies OP, It was not my intent to derail the thread...

I will bow out now, :-|

REALLY....

Guess this means we will see you on the banks of the Geen brother...

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[NADO]

As I make my way up, the entire length of the traverse is littered with orange pearls, beautifully translucent, sumptuous orange orbs--salmon eggs. Squandered generations of Olympian fish I think to myself.

Wow, great job with the imagery there. I could really picture those fresh eggs almost glowing between some rocks with a few chunks of soil sticking to them. "Squandered generations of olympian fish" - cool thought to picture each one of those eggs as a 20+lb salmon that never came to be.

all in all a great read. I think I might have to go to the library after work and pick up a fishing novel, you got me jonesin. Any suggestions?

 

[Klamp]

Most salmon caught in the River would be well over 26" so that would make them all not suitable by that standard.

Respectfully, the table above is for "Lake Ontario", which is what I thought RN was referring to. If you catch something out of the size, of course you go by the table. I didn't think I needed to clarify that.