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fenwickfisher
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Seems the atlantics are making a comeback....more and more being caught all the time...good to see hard work and millions of dollars paying off
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tossing iron
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Agreed 100%. Just a bunch of higher ups trying to stretch their employment till retirement. Total waste of our cash.
And hatchery space. JOKE
And hatchery space. JOKE
trouttamer
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The destruction of steelhead from the ganaraska is next in line for the atlantic program, they already screwed the credit now the ganny is next.
I think they had a dozen or so go through the ladder at the credit last year. whats that like 1 return per million introduced,.0001 percent
Darrin
I think they had a dozen or so go through the ladder at the credit last year. whats that like 1 return per million introduced,.0001 percent
Darrin
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tossing iron
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Not what I'm seeing.NADO said:
They keep return numbers so secret it's next to impossible to find any.
What I did find.
2011 33 returns
2012 20
2013 9
Numbers above are for the Credit.
So much backlash on these numbers they now hide them quite well. Lol
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tossing iron
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Only one way to prove #s
Make the whole program transparent.
Which they'll never do.
Spin doctors hard at work.
Yeah we'll all just take their word everything going as planned. Lol
20yrs from now maybe runs of 40.
Make the whole program transparent.
Which they'll never do.
Spin doctors hard at work.
Yeah we'll all just take their word everything going as planned. Lol
20yrs from now maybe runs of 40.
trouttamer
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if they put even 5% of the cash theyd dropped on atlantics into steelhead wed have a great fishery and wouldn't be saying where are the fish. once atlantics start being stocked in the ganny steelhead will be forgotten about. It seems they only want to drop money on atlantics and lakers because they are native to the great lakes, steelhead, browns coho Chinook and pink are all introduced species so no one seems to care about them anymore. all you have to do is look at the US steelhead where they stock heavily have great returns and can support a put and take fishery. The amount of fisherman taking fish for meat and eggs is massive compared to the 80s and 90s where they was less pressure and more fish.
If you support the atlantic program you need to give your head a shake and look deeper into what is really happening to our fragile fishery.
Darrin
If you support the atlantic program you need to give your head a shake and look deeper into what is really happening to our fragile fishery.
Darrin
fenwickfisher
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So say they introduced a species to newfoundland that thrived and overtook the atlantics there.....would it be foolish to want the atlantics to make a comeback?
fenwickfisher
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Dont get me wrong im all for the steelhead fishery we have(salmon species included) but i mean if your grass was replaced by poison ivy wouldn't you want your grass back lol
trouttamer
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atlantics did not become extinct because of species introduction, Its because of pollution, de forestation and high water temperatures. Sure the lake is a bit less polluted but headwaters and lower sections are urbanized water temperatures remain high, no trees for shade or bank stabilization. Why would they make a comeback under basically the same conditions in which they became extinct
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Coho
Bump up the Coho #s
Can the Atlantic salmon.
Pun intended
Bump up the Coho #s
Can the Atlantic salmon.
Pun intended
HomeGrownChrome
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The stocking of atlantics time, resources and money. Direct from the "Bring Back the Salmon; Lake Ontario" website
The first efforts to maintain or even restore the declining Atlantic salmon population of Lake Ontario, one of the first species in Canada to be decimated by human activities, were made by Samuel Wilmot. In 1866 he established the first government-sponsored fish hatchery in North America in Newcastle, Ontario. His efforts seemed to initially pay off, as population increases were observed in many streams. However, the numbers fell again, and by 1881 observers were reporting very few fish. The species was officially declared extirpated in 1896, and the last reliable report of a harvested Atlantic salmon was in 1898.
It goes on to talk about failed attempts at stocking in other regions, the last paragraph reads;
In Ontario, the next effort to restore Atlantic salmon was undertaken by the Department of Lands and Forests (MNRF’s predecessor) in the 1940’s using Miramichi, NB stock. After five years of stocking, mortalities were still significant from high summer stream temperatures and predation upon juvenile Atlantic salmon, and the attempt was stopped. Sporadic stocking occurred up until 1964 without success, and efforts were halted as the entire ecosystem was considered too degraded to make restoration likely. It was not until 1985 that the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYSDEC) again attempted to stock Atlantic salmon into Lake Ontario.
Stockin Atlantics has been proven time and time again to be futile, and whats worse is that they acknowledge there has not been success in the last 150 years. The only thing to be accomplished from this is wasted money and unbalance in already sustained fisheries
The first efforts to maintain or even restore the declining Atlantic salmon population of Lake Ontario, one of the first species in Canada to be decimated by human activities, were made by Samuel Wilmot. In 1866 he established the first government-sponsored fish hatchery in North America in Newcastle, Ontario. His efforts seemed to initially pay off, as population increases were observed in many streams. However, the numbers fell again, and by 1881 observers were reporting very few fish. The species was officially declared extirpated in 1896, and the last reliable report of a harvested Atlantic salmon was in 1898.
It goes on to talk about failed attempts at stocking in other regions, the last paragraph reads;
In Ontario, the next effort to restore Atlantic salmon was undertaken by the Department of Lands and Forests (MNRF’s predecessor) in the 1940’s using Miramichi, NB stock. After five years of stocking, mortalities were still significant from high summer stream temperatures and predation upon juvenile Atlantic salmon, and the attempt was stopped. Sporadic stocking occurred up until 1964 without success, and efforts were halted as the entire ecosystem was considered too degraded to make restoration likely. It was not until 1985 that the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYSDEC) again attempted to stock Atlantic salmon into Lake Ontario.
Stockin Atlantics has been proven time and time again to be futile, and whats worse is that they acknowledge there has not been success in the last 150 years. The only thing to be accomplished from this is wasted money and unbalance in already sustained fisheries
fenwickfisher
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fenwickfisher
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This is a link from the exact same website saying there was in fact enough atlantics to support a commercial fishery....i understand that ontario is not what it used to be 150 years ago ...all im saying is that they were once there in greater numbers than most believe. http://www.bringbackthesalmon.ca/biology-history/early-history/
Knuguy
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ooops, I thought this was a photo thread. My mistake....I guess.
