Zoo!

[Dave Bailey]

I'm no fisheries biologist, but it seems strange to me that we're not even allowed to target bass out of season, or pike, or a number of other species, because it interferes with their spawning. Yet while these fish are heading up river specifically for that purpose we are allowed to basically rape the resource. Can anyone tell me why?

 

[Porter86]

I'm no fisheries biologist, but it seems strange to me that we're not even allowed to target bass out of season, or pike, or a number of other species, because it interferes with their spawning. Yet while these fish are heading up river specifically for that purpose we are allowed to basically rape the resource. Can anyone tell me why?

I am actually intrigued by that comment now lol. Hopefully someone can chime in lol.

 

[NADO]

This is just heresay but I think it might be for two reasons.

1. Majority Rules - most people dont have boats so this is the only time of the year that they are able to target salmon. With that being said it would make more sense if the salmon season were to end in a week or two from now.

2. Not a native species - Most salmon species are not native to our lakes and rivers so I dont think fisheries management groups place as much importance on them. I personally would rather see someone take a limit of salmon or rainbow/brown over a limit of bass or pike.

 

[LogJam]

this may sound crazy, but i heard it from someone at work well we were talking about slamon spawning , he seems to think that the salmon that go in to the credit, bronte, almost all rivers on the canada side of lake O, are not returning to spawn, but just heading into the rivers just b/c the rest are...
he says the rivers on the u.s. side r the rivers that salmon spawn and actuly help the lake population, meaning the fish that spawn on our side dont really make up much or any of the salmon population in lake O...

seems kinda true, considering not even a male slamon can get throut PC park without getting gutted..

in a way he could be right, but i also think that threre has to bee alot that do make it to spawn, and hatch,


what does yall think about that???
(remember its not me thinking this crazy shizzz, just a conversation i had with another fishermen.)

 

[dwarf717]

Your co-worker is as dumb as a fence post. The fish are going up river to spawn. It's what they do, and how nature wired them. Salmon do reproduce in the great lakes, but have a pretty low survival rate. The fingerlings are prey for all preditory fish such as bass, pike, walleye, salmon, trout etc, and birds once they hit the lake. Salmon are stocked to supplement the population for the sole purpose of fishing. People seen snagging, netting, gutting, and tossing these great fish should be encouraged to leave the sport, as they are not sportsmen

 

[Porter86]

Your co-worker is as dumb as a fence post. The fish are going up river to spawn. It's what they do, and how nature wired them. Salmon do reproduce in the great lakes, but have a pretty low survival rate. The fingerlings are prey for all preditory fish such as bass, pike, walleye, salmon, trout etc, and birds once they hit the lake. Salmon are stocked to supplement the population for the sole purpose of fishing. People seen snagging, netting, gutting, and tossing these great fish should be encouraged to leave the sport, as they are not sportsmen

I went out fishing the other day for Salmon with a couple buddies on Bronte, and they were trying to snag them to catch em, once I realized that was how they were fishing, I never even put my line in the water, I just walked around with them and let my dog roam about the water having a blast lol. My one buddy caught one with his bare hand and pulled it up, it had 3 flies stuck in him that a fly fisher had just cut off their line. I got 2 new flies out of it, one was really stuck in there so couldn't get it out.

 

[beef]

That's a shame. Good on you for not joining them bro. There's some trout in the mix right now though :wink:

hi there its beef anyone that snags should be tied up and whiped see how they like it snaggers and people that keep everything they catch should not be alowed to fish try doing anything like that around me and u will go swimming or maybe worse p.s good for u not to include yourself with that u should talk to your buddies and tell them how bad it is get them to stop teach them to fish

 

[LogJam]

I'm no fisheries biologist, but it seems strange to me that we're not even allowed to target bass out of season, or pike, or a number of other species, because it interferes with their spawning. Yet while these fish are heading up river specifically for that purpose we are allowed to basically rape the resource. Can anyone tell me why?

chinook salmon (pacific salmon) are not native to lake O they were intruduced a long time ago.
the minisrty really messed that up, they tried to introduce sepcies that would not compete for spawning grounds, eg brown and brooke trout in the fall...
thats why trout closes oct 1st to last sat in april. native rainbows will spawn in spring.
dumd rainbows start spawning in fall and again in spring.. (i think)

maybe someone who knows more then me can add to this....
species that fight for spawning grounds...

 

[staffman]

The MNR doesn't worry about fisherman targeting salmon during their spawning run because there is next to no natural reproduction of salmon.IMO they view salmon as a put and take fishery. The trouble as I see it is the tactics of snagging salmon could carry over to other fisheries like steelhead. I have my own solution and that is I avoid fishing the rivers until the salmon die off.

 

[Blair]

Was at one of the eastern tribs today and just walked on the river bank for 1 hour. All I can say is that it was a zoo. At least 500 people, basically forming a continuous line on and in the river. Lots of fish but the poor things could not move up at all. Saw two fish that were landed, and each had over 5 hooks in different parts of their bodies. Tons of dead fish on the bank, floating in the river, and hanging on logs, etc. Man I bet if there was one warden there he could have earned MNR hundreds of thousands of dollar only on that stream as 9 out of 10 fish were snagged or milked for roes, then dropped back. My first time being there at this time of the year, on a weekend so perhas it is like that every year. Hooh, I will have a nightmare tonight

BRONTE (Article & News Story)

Oakville Beaver Article
http://www.insidehal...article/1227963



CHCH – News Report
Bronte Salmon

 

[getin]

Hehe The guy in the video says people from Hamilton and Toronto are coming to Bronte and doing this!! Yeah, it is always the "outsiders"..lol

 

[piju]

I read the news release that blair posted and it's terrible but not surprising...have any of you guys ever gone to Bronte north of Rebecca bridge? It's full of garbage, I started collecting some and then realized that my little bag wasn't gonna put a dent in that amount of garbage but filled it anyway and left. Under the bridge was disgusting and I've never met an unfreindlier bunch of fishermen in my life they all came across as some kind of sub-speceis of humanity with their grunts and groans. I appologize for my honesty to anybody reading this that happens to be a part of the "under the bridge dwellers" but I think that fishing etiquette should be a huge part of fishing, we should act like a brotherhood with one an other with the rivers and lakes being our club house. Don't disrespect the club house and don't disrespect a club member....by the way in Blairs post the news release said that people were taking the eyes out of the Salmon.....why would anybody do that? are the eyes used for bait or something?

 

[dwarf717]

not good that the media got a hold of this. Dont be surprised to see Bronte shut down. Nice pic of a male stit open. Azzholes. I've never heard of people removing the eyes though??? Thats birds that do that.

 

[NADO]

Good to see it publicized that it is illegal to take the eggs and not the fish. So many people think there is nothing wrong with just keeping the eggs. You will commonly hear "I only need one for the whole season" well if thats the case then they only need to eat one rotting salmon every year too then.

 

[dwarf717]

some of these people are taking row to sell. Where do you think tackle shops, and especially those vending machines are getting their stock from?

 

[dwarf717]

The media getting a hold of, and publicizing the story is not a good thing. Media will blow it out of proportion, and show most fisherman to be neandrathalls, without concern for anyone but their own headlines, and ratings. The tree huggers, and animal rights lovers will slam us shut faster than we can blink!!! This should be kept out of the publics veiw, and instead printed in bold in the fishing regulations handbook. Also little warning signs on the counters at tackle shops, and wherever licenses are sold may help prevent some of this crap.

 

[Brian]

The media getting a hold of, and publicizing the story is not a good thing. Media will blow it out of proportion, and show most fisherman to be neandrathalls, without concern for anyone but their own headlines, and ratings. The tree huggers, and animal rights lovers will slam us shut faster than we can blink!!! This should be kept out of the publics veiw, and instead printed in bold in the fishing regulations handbook. Also little warning signs on the counters at tackle shops, and wherever licenses are sold may help prevent some of this crap.

I agree with this 100%

 

[Blair]

The media getting a hold of, and publicizing the story is not a good thing. Media will blow it out of proportion, and show most fisherman to be neandrathalls, without concern for anyone but their own headlines, and ratings. The tree huggers, and animal rights lovers will slam us shut faster than we can blink!!! This should be kept out of the publics veiw, and instead printed in bold in the fishing regulations handbook. Also little warning signs on the counters at tackle shops, and wherever licenses are sold may help prevent some of this crap.

Unfortunately the media does sensationalize things and gives many "Biased" reports.
The fishermen should "behave better" - No excuse

SALMONOID INSANITY

 

[dwarf717]

I wonder if the ministry has ever thought of allowing some of the public to become volunteer wardens? A volunteer would be paired up with another volunteer, and where a crested hat or something when they are out fishing. When they see someone doing things which anger most of us, they just walk up, ask for a license, record the info, and hand it over to the ministry. The tips hotline is clearly as useless as tits on a nun.

 

[getin]

I wonder if the ministry has ever thought of allowing some of the public to become volunteer wardens? A volunteer would be paired up with another volunteer, and where a crested hat or something when they are out fishing. When they see someone doing things which anger most of us, they just walk up, ask for a license, record the info, and hand it over to the ministry. The tips hotline is clearly as useless as tits on a nun.

I was thinking about that too, but there are several problems:
1) The vounteer would not have the proper training to deal with the situation in a professional way. What if the the volunteer gets into the fight,
2) The voluntters, being fishermen themselves could misue their power, say even if wants to fish a hole that somebody is on it, he could find an excuse to drive the person off that hole! Or he could be recieving some sort of fishermen to pass by (bribing)

I guess these are the reasons why general public should not be involved (as volunteers) in plice work or like that. Acting as a group of few volunteers may solve the above problems though