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Well I know that a lot of the people who keep everything are from different ethnic origins (I'm not even remotely trying to be racist here). They just have a different mentality about it all. Especially generations that were not born in Canada. You eat what you catch no matter the size. I've seen Chinese people take BUCKETS of small fish from the Grand River and other lakes around Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge area. It's sickening but how can you control something like that?
I hear you with that, and I'm in no way racist, we all bleed red. I see a lot of ethnic people catch and keep 20 lb carp from Hamilton Harbor. Most people I talk to say no I would never keep anything from that water. Hamilton Harbor contains the Randall Reef which I believe is one of the 3 most toxic sites in Canada. How long has a 20 lb carp been swimming and absorbing those toxins. I agree with your point about cultural differences, but to keep fish from a known polluted body of water boggles the mind. And then to feed it to your children??

Alfie..
 
There's cultural differences. But it would be wrong to blame all the buckets of small fish on Asian people. People should be able to keep their limit without getting trouble from other anglers. The rest is up to them.
 
Let em keep as many carp as they want if you ask me. Carp reproduce like crazy and seem to do well in almost all of the waterbodies they are in, And if they dont mind the pollution then hey all the power to em!lol
 
Let em keep as many carp as they want if you ask me. Carp reproduce like crazy and seem to do well in almost all of the waterbodies they are in, And if they dont mind the pollution then hey all the power to em!lol


Totally agree with you. The carp fishermen would not agree with us though, they think you should release them to get bigger and bigger. But carp seem to reproduce like crazy and dominate an area, run ohter fish out. I have been fishing this eastern lake and time after time I only see an increase in the carp number and a drop in bass and pike.
 
Totally agree with you. The carp fishermen would not agree with us though, they think you should release them to get bigger and bigger. But carp seem to reproduce like crazy and dominate an area, run ohter fish out. I have been fishing this eastern lake and time after time I only see an increase in the carp number and a drop in bass and pike.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the correlation is due to the carps feeding habits. I was told by a friend of mine that carp can uproot aquatic vegetation and turn a weedy bay into a giant mudflat. I've seen this happen in some of my favourite fishing spots, where they turn into carp holes that are all mud, but I'm not fully sure if its due to the carp, or if its just natural.
 
I personally have no problem with people eating small carp. One of the objectives of our carp fishing club is to promote the release of trophy size carp. To me, and it is a personal thing, a carp from our waters would have to be over 20 lbs to be considered a trophy sized fish, some guys would even bump that up to 25 or even 30 lbs. Carp live a long time and when they get big and old their fertility goes down. So you may think that a 25 lb female carp loaded with eggs will produce 100,000's of fry but most of those eggs won't hatch. It is the 6 to 10 lb carp that are the most productive spawners.
All life on this planet without exception exploits and effects the environment . Some of these effects we view as negative and some we view as positive I would also say that,.that view is also totally subjective. Carp can , under the right circumstances take over a body of water, so can other types of fish. I have fished quarry ponds full of nothing but stunted smallmouth., with 8 inch bodies and heads that belong on 2 pounders.
The reduction in the numbers of sport fish is directly related to to their proximity to higher populations of people not carp. I read about a study done that showed that with in a 3 hr drive from Toronto sport-fish populations have declined by up to 90% , depending on the species, over 50 years.
Carp can and still do help take the pressure off of struggling game fish populations. I cannot understand for the life of me why a guy fishing bass or pike would get all worked up over someone on the bank fishing for carp. This is the reason why carp were introduced to our waters over 120 years ago. By promoting carp fishing they can still fulfill that purpose.
 
I personally have no problem with people eating small carp. One of the objectives of our carp fishing club is to promote the release of trophy size carp. To me, and it is a personal thing, a carp from our waters would have to be over 20 lbs to be considered a trophy sized fish, some guys would even bump that up to 25 or even 30 lbs. Carp live a long time and when they get big and old their fertility goes down. So you may think that a 25 lb female carp loaded with eggs will produce 100,00's of fry but most of those eggs won't hatch. It is the 6 to 10 lb carp that are the most productive spawners.
All life on this planet without exception exploits and effects the environment . Some of these effects we view a negative and some we view as positive I would also say that,.that view is also totally subjective. Carp can , under the right circumstances take over a body of water, so can other types of fish. I have fished quarry ponds full of nothing but stunted smallmouth., with 8 inch bodies and heads that belong on 2 pounders.
The reduction in the numbers of sport fish is directly related to to their proximity to higher populations of people not carp. I read about a study done that showed that with in a 3 hr drive from Toronto sport-fish populations have declined by up to 90% , depending on the species, over 50 years.
Carp can and still do help take the pressure off of struggling game fish populations. I cannot understand for the life of me why a guy fishing bass or pike would get all worked up over someone on the bank fishing for carp. This is the reason why carp were introduced to our waters over 120 years ago. By promoting carp fishing they can still fulfill that purpose.
I have to agree with you hammercarp. These so called invasive spieces are no longer invasive, they are here to stay. Once established they're not going anywhere. All of the following are here for good gobies, zebra mussels, lamprey, carp and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Brown Trout are not native to N. America. Steelhead and Salmon are not native to the Great Lakes and as far as I know Rainbows are even an introduced spieces east of the Rockies. Sorry let me make that Alberta. I enjoy catching a nice carp on my 6 lb line and 6 ft rod. One hell of a battle, lots of fun and I let them go and tell them to come back next year a little bigger. That's why I asked you for some info. You'll be happy to hear that even when I catch a 25 lb carp it goes back to fight another day. It's funny, yesterday I fished Jordan Harbor with a friend and he hooked something that was pulling drag like crazy. The water was so murky we didn't see the fish, we assumed it wasn't a bass because it didn't break the surface of the water. We also excluded a big pike and were thinking he had a big carp on and were praising the fight. Turned out it was a 12 lb channel cat. Point is all fish are fun to catch.

Alfie.
 
I appreciate that your group enjoys catching monster carp, what angler in their right mind wouldnt be happy with catching a fish over 15lbs??? The point is that wether they are established or not they are still an invasive species and they have a negative impact on native fish species and native plants. Your group may not see a difference between native species and introduced species, but the private non-profit organizations that manage our fisheries do see a difference. Yes some trout and salmon species are not native but they actually have a beneficial input to the fishery. Decomposing salmon provide nutrients and other trout species dont have any negative impacts that are anywhere near as noticable as the impact carp have.

Personally I release all of the carp I catch, I have never euthanized one. But I dont see any reason to promote the release of large carp, if a group of anglers developed that seek out carp for eating it would only benefit the fishery as numbers of carp could be somewhat managed and it may even take some pressure off native species like pike and bass and result in less native species being kept for the table.
 
I once was catching carp and landed quite a few in the range of 5-10 lb. This guy beside me kept asking for those and took home 3! next time I saw him I asked if they realy ate it and he was like, I gave those to my neighbor and they liked the taste..so some people do eat carp!
 
I once was catching carp and landed quite a few in the range of 5-10 lb. This guy beside me kept asking for those and took home 3! next time I saw him I asked if they realy ate it and he was like, I gave those to my neighbor and they liked the taste..so some people do eat carp!
Millions of people , probably billions of people eat carp around the planet. People here in North America eat carp as well, Some in some very surprising places.
Joe Tess' Place
 
I keep only bass for eating that are 1.5 lb or greater. This year I started bass fishing and caught a total of about 8 1.5 or greater bass, I release the smaller bass, I bought an electonic scale as guideline. However I am thinking of releasing the bigger ones 3-4 pounds in the future simply because they are too big too be steamed. However, I might just do catch and release permanently since I already ate enough and I also cleaned the fish myself for the first time really bloody... Probably better letting the fish back in the water to grow bigger for next time. When I was a kid I used to catch bucket full of small fish but now I released them or just use as minnow, but the how to fillet a perch in 10 secs video has me considering keeping some perch that informally release. I have a friend from calgary who is white (not being racist) but his
Philosophy is why the hell would you go fishing if you aren't going to eat the fish. ironically he is allergic to fish and this is not a huge fan of fishing
 
My sincere apologies for a recent stated I made about eating all the carp and that they were invasive and eat eggs of other fish. I've been reading some fishing blogs online and adapted some of the their negative point of view which was wrong. I have never destroyed any fish or left to spoil, if I ever catch a carp I would release it because they give great fights. sorry for my misinformed post.
 
I tend to release all my fish unless im having a fish fry that day. Nothing like fresh fish that just took a dunk in some choronzys batter and hot oil mmm mmm mmm
 
My sincere apologies for a recent stated I made about eating all the carp and that they were invasive and eat eggs of other fish. I've been reading some fishing blogs online and adapted some of the their negative point of view which was wrong. I have never destroyed any fish or left to spoil, if I ever catch a carp I would release it because they give great fights. sorry for my misinformed post.

Those points are all true, and even if they arent listed as an invasive species they still meet all of the requirements of an invasive species. I have read alot of information on common carp over the last few weeks and they dont really give any clear information on the protocal with common carp (if anyone knows how to get a question answered by the MNR or an approved equivalent that would be helpful). But what is clear is that there is nothing wrong with eating as many common carp as you want, not that I have ever been tempted to...
 
Alot of carp were wiped out by a koi virus at lake scugog few years back, the virus only kills carp and catfish. I think the states and governments use it as a control on carp populations because carp DNA in water sample was extremely high
 

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