Frustrated....need help

[T-Ack]

Good luck

 

[chinook2835]

Yes I believe I said the salmon roe sack trick,
(Which is primarily used for salmon & trout)

You missed the whole point of keeping the baitball intact !

Tight lines,
Dan

The bait ball is supposed to fall apart around ur bait

 

[Tubetrax]

Yes it will still disperse a scent cloud every time it's twitched or moved.

My point: Your not rebating as much.

Sounds like you've got it all figured out.

Good Luck !

Tight Lines
Dan

 

[ThereAreFishInThere]

I don't think I understand what Tubetrax is talking about either. It's true that you don't want too much free bait out there because you want the carp to be competing for the food. This way they have less time to inspect your offering, they just take it before another carp can. However you do want them to be actively feeding and comfortable in your area and this requires food for them to actually consume.

Also you don't want to be twitching or moving your offering around. Put the bait out and put your rod down or in a holder (with an extremely loose drag or bait run mode on). Carp are spooky/weary/smart fish. They will ignore your bait if they suspect anything is weird about it, and a moving line attached to the food is definitely weird.

People say that fish have no memory but I think they do become conditioned to ignore certain areas/presentations. An example of this is a pond I sometimes go to when I want to get some confidence back (it's almost guaranteed multiple catches every time I go). There are maybe 12 carp in the whole pond, I've caught 10 there this year and have never caught the same one twice! I always used the same presentation there. Maybe it's just coincidence or luck? I don't know.

 

[ThereAreFishInThere]

To stop being robbed by Pinfish.
They will eat the meat out of the shrimp shell from the side, you can barely even snag them

You can make your own decisions, but personally I wouldn't take advice from someone who admits online they are trying to snag fish

 

[ThereAreFishInThere]

thanks I always thought it would fall off so I'll try and get it to the right ratio,I also think it's the location that I'm getting wrong,should I fish in the marina or out into the lake,I see them in the marina but they don't bite

First and foremost, I'm no authority or expert on carp fishing. All I can relay to you is my opinions and what has worked for me.

The bait ball takes some adjustment to get the consistency right, I've had plenty of times where I cast out and the ball just crumbles apart in mid air. Don't whip the rod, lob it out gently to keep in all together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyB6HZIrSfw

I've never been to your specific location so can't speak as to where to fish for them. I like to fish for them where I have seen them, and I know the bottom contours/structure. Casting out into the lake without using some method to learn the bottom is a gamble as you don't know if your presentation is in a good area where carp would ever be or feed (ex. you might be throwing your rig into a weed bed or allowing your offering to fall in between rocks where the carp could never get at).

The comment above about pre-baiting your area is a great idea. Bait the area for a few days at the same time of day and the same time you will be fishing. Eventually you will condition the carp and have them eating on your schedule! Just don't let others see you doing this as when you come back those people may be catching your pre baited fish.

Lastly when tossing out a big heavy presentation that makes a huge splash, you must be patient. Give your bait time to soak, the big splash will likely scare any carp that may have been there. The area needs to feel safe to the carp for them to feed. Fishing this way is different than other methods, cast your line out, put your rod down and read a book, you need to have patience and confidence.

If you see feeding carp you can get a bite quickly, you just need to be a lot more subtle. Don't toss out a huge weight and make a splash. Don't let the carp see you!

Gobie problems? Use fake corn.

 

[rich_ace_G]

Just use a feeder and you don't need to worry about mixing ratio of mix and water. YOu can have a very runny mix on a feeder and actually drip while casting and most of it will still stick to the feeder. Fishing for carp doesn't require rocket science. all you need is a mix or chum and fish to be there.

 

[chinook2835]

First and foremost, I'm no authority or expert on carp fishing. All I can relay to you is my opinions and what has worked for me.

The bait ball takes some adjustment to get the consistency right, I've had plenty of times where I cast out and the ball just crumbles apart in mid air. Don't whip the rod, lob it out gently to keep in all together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyB6HZIrSfw

I've never been to your specific location so can't speak as to where to fish for them. I like to fish for them where I have seen them, and I know the bottom contours/structure. Casting out into the lake without using some method to learn the bottom is a gamble as you don't know if your presentation is in a good area where carp would ever be or feed (ex. you might be throwing your rig into a weed bed or allowing your offering to fall in between rocks where the carp could never get at).

The comment above about pre-baiting your area is a great idea. Bait the area for a few days at the same time of day and the same time you will be fishing. Eventually you will condition the carp and have them eating on your schedule! Just don't let others see you doing this as when you come back those people may be catching your pre baited fish.

Lastly when tossing out a big heavy presentation that makes a huge splash, you must be patient. Give your bait time to soak, the big splash will likely scare any carp that may have been there. The area needs to feel safe to the carp for them to feed. Fishing this way is different than other methods, cast your line out, put your rod down and read a book, you need to have patience and confidence.

If you see feeding carp you can get a bite quickly, you just need to be a lot more subtle. Don't toss out a huge weight and make a splash. Don't let the carp see you!

Gobie problems? Use fake corn.

There is a sand flat straight out from the lake which I assume is good but all the carp I see r out in the marina and I always go in with corn they never bite I think they may see me but I'm not sure,I can't really prebait though cuz I can't really get there everyday,I was hoping casting out into that sand flat will attract fish entering the marina but I'm not sure

 

[chinook2835]

The current mix I have ATM is panko,oats,can of corn, peach jello and some natural and artificial pineapple juice and it should work if I can get my presentation in the right spot

 

[ThereAreFishInThere]

Hey DILLIGAF?! I agree 100% carp fishing isn't rocket science and a lot of people make carp fishing out to be way more difficult than need be.

However if you try to mold a soupy mess or a pile of dust around a feeder you will not get any distance to your cast before everything just falls apart. Mixing ratio is absolutely a concern no matter what you use. You don't need to bring a measuring cup or anything like that, just some common sense.

Also buying a feeder and specially designed feeder mix costs more money and those are very specialized tools. I believe building rockets probably uses specialized tools. As opposed to making due with what you already have on hand.

You can buy specialized gear if that makes you feel good, but it's not a necessity, and seeing that chinook2835 is 16 he may not have a credit card to order this stuff and a bunch of extra money laying around. Or maybe he does, what do I know?

I'm not speaking from a place of ignorance as I own numerous feeders, even the ones that are bottom weighted. Just trying to give options and not just give the same info over and over.

 

[chinook2835]

this is my first time posting a photo hoepfully i did it right but the top is the mix and it forms into balls easily and doesnt fall apart easly either
the bottom is where i fish the pink circle is a sand flat and the orange is where i see all the carp but its really weedy there

 

[ThereAreFishInThere]

Sorry chinook2835, as I said I've never fished the area. Plus I try not to tell people exactly where to fish, I don't want to lead you in the wrong direction.

Trial and error, persistence, observations, luck and your own intuition should eventually lead you to the fish.

Your photos are showing up fine. LOL my post with the video was my first time posting a link.

 

[chinook2835]

Sorry chinook2835, as I said I've never fished the area. Plus I try not to tell people exactly where to fish, I don't want to lead you in the wrong direction.

Trial and error, persistence, observations, luck and your own intuition should eventually lead you to the fish.

Your photos are showing up fine. LOL my post with the video was my first time posting a link.

I understand I really appreciate the help though,I'm gonna try the sand flat tonight and hope for the best

 

[rich_ace_G]

Hey DILLIGAF?! I agree 100% carp fishing isn't rocket science and a lot of people make carp fishing out to be way more difficult than need be.

However if you try to mold a soupy mess or a pile of dust around a feeder you will not get any distance to your cast before everything just falls apart. Mixing ratio is absolutely a concern no matter what you use. You don't need to bring a measuring cup or anything like that, just some common sense.

Also buying a feeder and specially designed feeder mix costs more money and those are very specialized tools. I believe building rockets probably uses specialized tools. As opposed to making due with what you already have on hand.

You can buy specialized gear if that makes you feel good, but it's not a necessity, and seeing that chinook2835 is 16 he may not have a credit card to order this stuff and a bunch of extra money laying around. Or maybe he does, what do I know?

I'm not speaking from a place of ignorance as I own numerous feeders, even the ones that are bottom weighted. Just trying to give options and not just give the same info over and over.

I understand where you're coming from. I make my own feeders. All you need is wire egg sinkers and pliers.again. keep everything simple and make it easy. Carp fishing is more of like buying time where bass isn't open and the steelhead run is over.

 

[chinook2835]

Just gave it a try no carp and I was sooo confident too but I had a tough time finding a good spot because of weeds,then tried casting for salmon however I think it's a bit early for the south shores of Lake Ontario ,ITS SOOOO FRUSTRATING lol

 

[ThereAreFishInThere]

I understand where you're coming from. I make my own feeders. All you need is wire egg sinkers and pliers.again. keep everything simple and make it easy. Carp fishing is more of like buying time where bass isn't open and the steelhead run is over.

Yeah, it's also good for when you don't want your fishing to interrupt your beer drinking. Nowadays i usually only target carp when I want to eat some lunch but don't want to stop fishing.