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jwhiteney

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Hi,

I got into fishing last summer and went out and picked up a shimano Sahara 3000fe and a Berkeley lighning rod 6'6" medium. This was on the recommendation of the bass pro guy on my budget. After using a friends reel for a bit his seems much smoother and i decided I wouldn't mind getting another rod and reel now that I have a bigger budget.

Where I fish:
In a lake at the cottage mostly large and small mouth bass no more than 5 pounds.
Off the shore of Lake Ontario near the Scarborough bluffs
Shore of Frenchman's bay
A trip or two to rice lake in a boat

I was looking at some of the st croix rods like the avid and premier which people seem to like. Although I'm not sure what length, power, and action to get based on what I fish. It needs to be 2 piece to fit in my car.

I was thinking about the shimano Stradic ci4 for the real, but not sure what the best size would be for me.

I am hoping for this to be as all around as possible.

Budget for rod $150-$200
Budget for reel $250-$300
 
Stay with the sahara for the reel, I have yet to use a spinning reel as nice. For a rod, some of the quantum stuff is pretty nice, fenwick too and it's well below your budget, get a few of them :)
 
Ya the Sahara is a great reel, I have one and its awesome, don't spend money you don't need too. For a rod the lightning rod is good for the price, but if you want a better rod I'd consider the new Fenwick hmg or the Fenwick elite tech smallmouth, both around 100 bucks. Alot of the st. Croix rods are worth considering as well. Also for an all around rod a 6'6" or 7' medium heavy power rod will do most things well.
 
Everyone wants a smooth reel :roll: "Hey, look how smooth it cranks!"

It doesn't matter. Some of the older reels that doesn't have instant anti-reverse with a more labourious crank, but they are build more bulletproof than these so called "smooth reels". Reels like the Penn 704Z are still cranking after 20 years and people are still gobbling up any available ones on the secondhand market. So is my Shimano Baitrunner. It is heavy, it is large, it has no instant anti-reverse and it has only 3 bearings...but it is bombproof. Forget the hype about adding more bearings...if you look at a reel schematics, most of the extra bearings are added to places that doesn't even matter (for example...2 bearings on handle knobs?!?! One isn't good enough so let's just put another one there just to satisfy the hype?!?!). A lot of old reels do not have bearings but use bushings instead. Plastic bushings do not rust...bearings that are not greased, or shielded, or sealed, even if they are stainless steel, will eventually rust and cause jerky retrieves or even reel failures.

** Don't let me scary you off about bearings...most freshwater situations you have nothing to worry about. I'm just stating my opinion on the idea that adding more bearings makes the reel better...it often does, but it is not ALWAYS the rule.

As long as your reel does not jerk as you retrieve, and your drag is butter smooth, that is all that matters. The little play on the anti-reverse are at worst a little annoyance. Actually, some of the older reels have handle play because they use a dog clutch as the anti-reverse, so you do get play but a much more robust clutch.

Look for reels with oiled Japanese felt drag washers, or greased carbon fiber drag washers (Shimano: Dartanium II, Daiwa: UT Drag, Abu Garcia: Carbon Matrix, Penn: HT-100...etc). BTW, Penn has been using HT-100 drags forever...they were providing these carbon drags in their reels before all the current hype about carbon drags. Some of the 20 year old Penns are more advanced than the reels today. :roll: The older graphite washers in some reels are OK...but you have better options at affordable prices nowadays so take those options.

Don't buy into all the hype about extra light weight reel...woven carbon, magnesium...blah, blah, blah...an ounce or two difference in weight is minimal if you have a balanced outfit. Graphite is light enough...compared to the full metal Penns (although full metal is much more robust). Woven carbon is not very impact resistent either...it's essentially similar to the graphite fibers in your rods. All it takes is bad drop on a rock and you create a weak point in the carbon...leading to future gear failure. I look at those woven carbon reel handles and cringe...give me a machined aluminum handle any day.

Your Shimano Sahara is a great reel. You really do not need to upgrade, especially when you are just starting to fish. If you want to improve performance, upgrade the drag washers to Carbontex washers for an extra $10 and you are laughing. If you are even more picky, upgrade your bearings with Boca ceramic sealed bearings that are oiled. They will cost you a pretty penny though. Personally, I wouldn't even bother with any upgrade...your reel is great as it is.

What I would suggest is getting a second (possibly third at your budget) rod and reel. You should consider Shimano Clarus rods. They are great rods with a limited lifetime warranty. Here's what I would suggest for rods...

1) Shimano CSC610MH2B Clarus Bass Travel Casting Rod 2Pc ($90)

- 6'10", medium heavy, fast action, 10-20lb mono, 20-40lb braid, 1/4-3/4oz
- allows you to pitch heavier jigs for bass, cast bigger spoons, lures and spinners for pike and muskies

2) Shimano CSS96M2B Clarus Steelhead Spinning Rod 2pc ($120)

- 9'6", medium, fast action, 8-12lb mono, 10-30lb braid, 3/8 - 3/4oz
- allows you to cast spoons for salmon and trout off piers, bottom bounce at the Nia*** R or Sau*** R, and float fish the smaller east tribs

Your spinning reel can still pair with the Clarus steelhead rod...so you don't need a new reel for that.

For the casting rod, consider an Shimano Cardiff CDF300A or the Abu Garcia C3 5500 or C4 5600. Those are proven reels that will last you a LONG time. Friends of mine use the C3's to beat up saltwater fish like 10lb jack crevalle, roosterfish, mahimahi and skipjack tuna. Very smooth and powerful drag and very corrosion proof. For the price, it is hard to find something comparable. The only annoying thing with the C3 is that the disengage button is on side and on top of the reel side plate. The C4 has the disengage button behind the spool typical of most baitcasters which is much more convenient. But C3 has lower gear ratio (more cranking power) vs. the C4's high gear ratio (less cranking power).

My suggestions are to help you widen your opportunites as a new angler, not dwell on upgrading gear when you have less than one year of fishing experience under your belt.
 
Once again like the guys above, the sahara is an awesome reel, I too have one! As for rods I would take a look at the Fenwick smallmouth elite tech….what a rod. I originally picked one up for the smallmouth fishing I do in the river I live next too that is pretty GRAND...lol. But I have used it for smallies largies and some pike fishing and its a great all around rod alongside the sahara. Also take a look at the rapala TS2 rods, great line of spinning rods!! Let us know what you pick out!!
 
Wow thanks all for the replies. I'm surprised to hear my current reel is so highly regarded. Looks like I'm just in the market for a rod then.

I was originally thinking st croix or fenwick. When looking online it seemed people favoured st croix over fenwick these days.

My current rod is 6'6" medium

So I was thinking maybe a 7' medium or medium heavy

I was really looking at the st croix avid... But maybe I should take a second look?
 
When you are considering a second rod, you have to ask yourself what the new rod would provide that your current rod does not (or do inadequately with some significance that you can detect...not marginal differences).

A 7' medium vs. your 6'6" medium is of little difference sometimes. Yes, there may be a bit of casting advantage to the extra 6", and a bit more sensitivity...but it is not a major gain.

I would say get the medium heavy so you have a stiffer rod to throw heavier lures.
 
If you are mostly targeting bass & pike. I would say go for an 8ft - 10ft. light action. fenwick has great selection of rods. for reel, based on where you fish. i'm guessing spinning reel? I find Penn reels to be great investment. I have abused my Penn spinning for years and it still handles fish from small sunfish to 10lb browns no problem. Heck I accidentally foul hooked a huge carp with it once...no problem. The best way is to go to the store and check out the reels yourself. There are some tackle shops that will honestly tell you what is good for your budget. I fish the same areas you do...but only on summer.
 
I think the fenwick HMG, HMX, or shimano clarus are your best bets.
All come in 2 piece, in Med Hvy, and all have lifetime warranty.

If I had to pick I would go with HMG. Cuz I dont like shimano customer service.

note that most of the higher-end rods do not come in 2 piece.
 
usernamehere said:
I think the fenwick HMG, HMX, or shimano clarus are your best bets.
All come in 2 piece, in Med Hvy, and all have lifetime warranty.

If I had to pick I would go with HMG. Cuz I dont like shimano customer service.

note that most of the higher-end rods do not come in 2 piece.
There's a reason for that, you give up a good bit of sensitivity when you start splitting a rod into more and more pieces.
 
Christopher K said:
There's a reason for that, you give up a good bit of sensitivity when you start splitting a rod into more and more pieces.
All high end 2 piece rods lose very minimal amount of sensitivity. When the ferrules are made properly 1 or 2 piece dont make much difference. Its just more work to produce 2 piece and make sure it retains its sensitivity and proper flex.
 
It seems quite hard to find a 7' medium-heavy 2 piece rod. Looking at the fenwick HMG and they only have 1 piece 7' medium-heavy. Or I could get 2 piece in either 6'6" medium-heavy or 7' medium. I looked a few other rods and this seems to be the case for them too.
 
jwhiteney said:
It seems quite hard to find a 7' medium-heavy 2 piece rod. Looking at the fenwick HMG and they only have 1 piece 7' medium-heavy. Or I could get 2 piece in either 6'6" medium-heavy or 7' medium. I looked a few other rods and this seems to be the case for them too.
Whats wrong with the 6'6" one? a 6" difference isnt big.
 
Just basing on the areas you fish. I would go with something longer than 7' rod. You are not limited to bass & pike on those waters...there are big browns and rainbows & salmon there and once you're chucking spoons and plugs...you better have the gear to fight them because they go for the same lures. I'm currently using 9'6" when casting plugs & spoons...I target Pike most of the time. Paired my rod with a Okuma trio spinning reel. total cost of gear is $140. I have caught salmon, brown trout and steelhead on that gear and it's still my go to gear when i'm not floatfishing rivers...
 
I wouldn't buy anything with the BPS logo, browning or anything else BPS makes under licensing.
Whats up with all these huge salmon and pike rods? 6'6, medium, 2-piece, put it in the trunk and up to the cottage for some perch, wallye and bass. It will play a small pike off the bluffs too. Even small browns.
 

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