Is the steelheaed run over already?

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Been fishing the mouths of several rivers in the past week till today and have seen only a few caught. I thought there would be several major runs before it ends but apparently not? or maybe it has not started yet? any comment is appreciated.

on a related note, a friend was telling me that he was walking his dog around some closed parts of the rivers and has seen a lot of recently tossed roe bags! Are people really fish the closed sections?
 
Been fishing the mouths of several rivers in the past week till today and have seen only a few caught. I thought there would be several major runs before it ends but apparently not? or maybe it has not started yet? any comment is appreciated.

on a related note, a friend was telling me that he was walking his dog around some closed parts of the rivers and has seen a lot of recently tossed roe bags! Are people really fish the closed sections?
From what i've observed most major runs are over or currently happening on some rivers. That dosen't mean there wont be any more fish running. The rain we'll be getting should push some more fish up. Personally i think its time for a change in regs, fish dont follow a calender they follow the weather , but thats just my opinion. And yes there are people fishing closed water, seen it first hand. In fact i was one of those people today, by mistake though and did move when i realized where i was fishing. It happens, lots of new people either dont read the regs or get confused and theres those that know but just dont care, as for them they'll get caught soon and that means one less @hole on the river.
 
From what i've observed most major runs are over or currently happening on some rivers. That dosen't mean there wont be any more fish running. The rain we'll be getting should push some more fish up. Personally i think its time for a change in regs, fish dont follow a calender they follow the weather , but thats just my opinion. And yes there are people fishing closed water, seen it first hand. In fact i was one of those people today, by mistake though and did move when i realized where i was fishing. It happens, lots of new people either dont read the regs or get confused and theres those that know but just dont care, as for them they'll get caught soon and that means one less @hole on the river.




I think it might depend a lot on which creek or river or area you fish. I've been fishing Oshawa creek all week and i've seen tonnes of fish caught and jumping, although i've been fishing a hole that is fairly deep and quite a few rainbows hold in there. I was fishing today and I heard some people talking and they said a lot of the steelhead came up during the march break, and that was the mian run so far. But general consensus is that the next big rain will be the main run and the season opener will be a fairly late one. I agree with Despotiko, the fish definitely don't follow a calendar as much as they follow the weather, this winter was a fairly cold and snowy and long one, compared to years past. I found that the last few years, the winters have been very mild and the fish moved up wayyyy before opener, and by the time opener happens, most are already spawned and gone back to the lake.
OP, I think you should be trying to fish the creeks and rivers (assuming you can in your area), because that's where a lot of the fish will be, holding up in the deeper pools waiting for the next big rain to scoot up river. And as for people fishing in closed areas, its only a matter of time until they get busted and lose all their equipment and get a fine and learn the hard way. As well, are you really worried about some noobs "slaying" the steelhead? I reckon, if they don't know the rules and regulations, then I highly doubt they know how to catch the widely sought after fish. I personally have been fishing steelhead my entire life, and i've been fishing 4 mornings in a row and 3 evenings in a row, in a pool full of steelhead, and i've only landed 2. That said, I doubt those noobs are killing them, or even catching them, I say let them learn the hard way.


A question for OP, what time were you fishing at? sounds like you were there after the bite. I find that the trout only "hammer" the roe/baits in the wee early morning, from about 6am-7:30am, after that you'd be lucky to get a nibble or two. I have also been fishing in the evening and I find the bite very slow at this time, I even fished an hr into the pitch black and nothing. So I suggest trying to get to the spot while its still pitch dark out, that's probably your best bet at getting a few fish. Also, I would assume that most of the people that have been catching them in the wee early morning have already gone home by the time most fisherman arrive, so that could also be a reason why only "a few fish have been caught".

Good luck on the steelies
Andy,
 
Personally i think its time for a change in regs, fish dont follow a calender they follow the weather

The MNR makes sure that the largest amount of the fish will escape the hands of fishermen to go and spawn, which is why October is closed in most of the river systems, to allow the bulk of the fish run in that month to escape the hands of fishermen.

Jim
 
The MNR makes sure that the largest amount of the fish will escape the hands of fishermen to go and spawn, which is why October is closed in most of the river systems, to allow the bulk of the fish run in that month to escape the hands of fishermen.

Jim



Touche
 
Same reason why the Bass season is where it is, etc. You allow fishermen to catch over the course of the months that do not effect the over all health of the spawn, while still protecting the populations.

Jim
 
I was up on the Saugeen this weekend and both Saturday and Sunday there were at least 8 people fishing right up in front of the dam...made me so angry. Some people were saying they were likely natives, personally i don't give a **** what ethnicity they are they should stay the hell away from the dam. Something needs to be done about the poaching Native Americans are allowed to do, its just ridiculous.
 
I was up on the Saugeen this weekend and both Saturday and Sunday there were at least 8 people fishing right up in front of the dam...made me so angry. Some people were saying they were likely natives, personally i don't give a **** what ethnicity they are they should stay the hell away from the dam. Something needs to be done about the poaching Native Americans are allowed to do, its just ridiculous.


Natives generally aren't poaching, all reserves have treaty rights to fish and hunt outside of government regulations. It is not a right given based on ethnicity, it is a right given based on legal precedents that in some cases go back to the 1780's. Hunting and fishing rights have been maintained since then, (with occasional alterations) to some degree as a means of the government making up for the racist, exploitative manner in which Native communities have been treated. If you were forced off your land into 3rd world living conditions with limited access to education and health care, taken from your family, forced into a residential school where you were beaten and prevented from speaking your own language, I'm sure you'd do everything you could to maintain your 'unlimited' access to hunting and fishing.

Or maybe in this case you saw a few native guys breaking rules not governed by any treaty right, just like we see dickheads from all 'ethnicities' breaking the rules at the dam on the Humber every year: making an all encompassing statement about 'poaching native americans' is racist, offensive and ignorant and paints an entire group of people negatively based on the actions of a few idiots.

If you have an issue with the legal rights enjoyed by a specific group of people, you are of course free to express your opinion, but perhaps consider doing it in a manner that is constructive.
 
Wow I did not know they were allowed to fish an hunt free like that. But I was also going to reply to nado, that they do not fish for sport like some idiots that cut the fish for skeins an leave fish on the banks. They keep to eat. Some times I wonder what people are fishing for, fish? Or eggs? Yeah I keep eggs, but not 20 lbs like some with buckets full. I like to enjoy dinner too
 
The MNR makes sure that the largest amount of the fish will escape the hands of fishermen to go and spawn, which is why October is closed in most of the river systems, to allow the bulk of the fish run in that month to escape the hands of fishermen.

Jim

Im not referring to the fall run. The spring run is larger than the fall, unless your talking salmon, and i personally think that making it a couple of weeks earlier in some places wouldn't hurt. But thats just my opinion.

Despotiko
 
Im not sure i think if i was taken from my family, forced into a residential school where I was beaten and prevented from speaking my own language i might have other things to worry about than fishing and hunting rights...

My grandparents were actually taken from their home and forced out of their country during world war 2, I dont go around trying to get special rights because of it. We all share the same resources it doesnt matter what happened back then.

We all have the same opportunities and it can be argued that they even have more opportunity with government grants so i dont see any reason for special laws that allow them to net and snag and fish out of season.

As for being constructive im just stating my opinion, do you expect me to get into politics and start lobbying??
 
Im not sure i think if i was taken from my family, forced into a residential school where I was beaten and prevented from speaking my own language i might have other things to worry about than fishing and hunting rights...

My grandparents were actually taken from their home and forced out of their country during world war 2, I dont go around trying to get special rights because of it. We all share the same resources it doesnt matter what happened back then.

We all have the same opportunities and it can be argued that they even have more opportunity with government grants so i dont see any reason for special laws that allow them to net and snag and fish out of season.

As for being constructive im just stating my opinion, do you expect me to get into politics and start lobbying??


If Fishing and Hunting were your daily way of life, and your entire sense of community and religion were tied to your use of land, the impact of being forcibly removed from that way of life would certainly be an issue of concern.

As far as your claim that 'we all have the same opportunities', you would be incorrect. Many native reserves do not have hospitals, high schools or clean drinking water, nor do they have substantial economic opportunity. There are of course successful reserves that are lucky enough to be located on large mineral deposits and have the benefit of jobs created by mining and hydro projects. I'm guessing that you were able to attend high school, have a hospital in your community and you likely drink, brush your teeth and shower in potable water. A great number of native peoples do not have those opportunities. There are government grants to encourage education, deal with alcoholism, provide job training and offset poverty and the cost of food (a box of cheerios is $26 at the Attawapiskat reserve). Even so, native communities still have abysmally high rates of suicide, diabetes, illiteracy, depression, alcoholism etc...

I'm sorry to hear that your family was removed from their home during the war, My grandmother lost her brother in Italy and due to the devastation of the community, her family subsequently immigrated to Canada. I don't know if they were ever the recipients of any sort of reparations as these were generally distributed on a national level for reconstruction, but I would point to the German reparations paid to countries such as France, Belgium and Poland as an example of the sort of 'apology' given to the peoples who suffered at their hands in WWII. The treaty rights, including fishing, hunting and monetary assistance given by the Canadian government to native communities is their form of an apology for small pox blankets, reserves, residential schools and the destruction of their traditional ways of life and culture.

I'm not suggesting that you ought to get into politics or start lobbying, only that while appreciating your opinion, I objected to the negative slant it took in singling out a specific group of people. As a law abiding angler, I certainly understand the frustration of seeing poachers and rule breakers. This forum is a place where members of the fishing community can freely express and debate their frustrations with those issues, I would only hope that such a discussion could be undertaken in a more positive manner.

Apologies to the OFF community for hijacking this thread.
 
EDIT*** I suppose your argument has merit, i dont think we should be repaying our debt to the natives with our natural resources though.
 
Now thats a long reply...im gonna have to schedule aside some time tomorrow to read that lol


ha, yeah. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I've just done some work in native communities and I get a little fired up about it. Poaching also pisses me off, so combine the two and look out!
 
Not sure there sorry, saugeen is still going on, sauble river has already had most of the fish pass through
 
No sir the rainbow is not over.

As the rivers warm up there will be more fish entering the river. Remember the main run does not enter the river until the temp is 45' so we will be getting more fish

Rick
 
EDIT*** I suppose your argument has merit, i dont think we should be repaying our debt to the natives with our natural resources though.



I'm not trying to be devils advocate, but technically the resources were "theirs" to begin with. Although I do not agree with poaching, or complete abuse of the privileges by Native American peoples, I do think that is the very least we as a country can allow them. I'm not gonna lie, they got the shaft, and we as "Canadians" definitely got the better end of the stick, (the largeeeee end of the stick). So as long as they use their rights within reason, I think it is ok, but complete and total utter abuses should not be tolerated. But where we as a country draw those lines, could be subject to discussion.
 

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