Minimum size limits on fish.

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Wow. I write something last night and look what happens by the time I get home from work today.
I don't disagree at all with the notion that more COs are needed, I didn't even mention it last night because I thought that, that was common knowledge. I know many fishermen who have never been carded or even met a CO. In my 40 years of fishing I have encountered 4 COs that I can recall and once was partly my own doing by making repeated calls for 3 weeks to the MNR tips line (1-877-847-7667) about loogans keeping Bass before the opener at the dam in Caledonia. Another time was also my own doing partly, ice fishing on Lake Scogog the ice was thick but the weather turned unseasonably warm and the Bass came up out of their wintering places an began to bite and loogans began to keep them. We started calling Friday, the MNR showed up Sunday. I could see them on shore with their binoculars scoping the ice for an hour or 2. Then they proceeded onto the ice and began to bust and confiscate.
I also do agree with slot size limits and have fished many places where this works, maybe I should have mentioned that. What I'm saying about a minimum size limit is that it could be incorporated too. The slot limit could be used but also say that no Walleye under 6 inches or whatever may be keep. Many have made the point that there is an expected mortality rate in young fish, but if we take certain people who fish out of the equation ( those who keep 6 inch walleye ) will the mortality rate not have a chance of being a little less? Possibly some of these 6 inch fish that are being kept are the offspring of a trophy mother or father or both and if it is given the chance to survive, how big will its offspring be?
I seriously don't think any of the anglers I see regularly on this forum would even think about keeping babies and I'm not even really certain why anyone would. I just think that maybe it should be added to the regs.
When we were kids and we caught a fish and asked my father if we could keep it and it was a bit on the smallish side he had a standard answer. " No. It's to small. Let it grow up and have a chance to make babies of its own."

Alfie.
 
Wow. I write something last night and look what happens by the time I get home from work today.
I don't disagree at all with the notion that more COs are needed, I didn't even mention it last night because I thought that, that was common knowledge. I know many fishermen who have never been carded or even met a CO. In my 40 years of fishing I have encountered 4 COs that I can recall and once was partly my own doing by making repeated calls for 3 weeks to the MNR tips line (1-877-847-7667) about loogans keeping Bass before the opener at the dam in Caledonia. Another time was also my own doing partly, ice fishing on Lake Scogog the ice was thick but the weather turned unseasonably warm and the Bass came up out of their wintering places an began to bite and loogans began to keep them. We started calling Friday, the MNR showed up Sunday. I could see them on shore with their binoculars scoping the ice for an hour or 2. Then they proceeded onto the ice and began to bust and confiscate.
I also do agree with slot size limits and have fished many places where this works, maybe I should have mentioned that. What I'm saying about a minimum size limit is that it could be incorporated too. The slot limit could be used but also say that no Walleye under 6 inches or whatever may be keep. Many have made the point that there is an expected mortality rate in young fish, but if we take certain people who fish out of the equation ( those who keep 6 inch walleye ) will the mortality rate not have a chance of being a little less? Possibly some of these 6 inch fish that are being kept are the offspring of a trophy mother or father or both and if it is given the chance to survive, how big will its offspring be?
I seriously don't think any of the anglers I see regularly on this forum would even think about keeping babies and I'm not even really certain why anyone would. I just think that maybe it should be added to the regs.
When we were kids and we caught a fish and asked my father if we could keep it and it was a bit on the smallish side he had a standard answer. " No. It's to small. Let it grow up and have a chance to make babies of its own."

Alfie.

I agree with all your points.

My Dad is not much of a fisherman, but my uncle is, he always says, "I don't fish because I'm hungry, if I was hungry I would go to the supermarket and buy some food, not come out to the middle of no where and sit with a piece of string in the water for 4 hours"
 
SO is a mess - the real fishing is in NO. I run into CO's often enough up there...

Hey Joel

Tell them there's gold in SO. They could be writting fines till their fingers fell off.
We all with ya Alfie.
Anyone know when they have the auctions of the confiscated equipment?
 
Ya I dont disagree that it should be added to the regs, there would be no harm in doing so.

Im just saying that if someone is keeping 6" fish then odds are they couldnt care less what the regulations are so the new reg wouldnt change anything.
 
Ya I dont disagree that it should be added to the regs, there would be no harm in doing so.

Im just saying that if someone is keeping 6" fish then odds are they couldnt care less what the regulations are so the new reg wouldnt change anything.
I agree with you NADO to a certain point people would still keep these babies, but as I pointed out earlier, repeated calls will eventually bring the COs. Using the dam at Caledonia as an example, I know what goes on there and that violations are occurring every day. People were keeping Bass before opener. I was calling when I saw infractions, but I was also calling the MNR on days when I was sipping a beer watching sports on TV at home, just because it was Saturday and I knew someone was keeping illegal fish. Sometimes 2 or 3 times I called. The COs finally showed up and busted a few guys and girls. Places like the Grand and Trent where violations are happening every day and enough complaints will bring the MNR. Maybe they won't bust the guys you witnessed because they will be a week or 2 late, but they will get someone and perhaps that will educate a few and perhaps the word will get out there. We can put some paranoia into these kind of people just by making a few free calls. And if a minimum size limit were introduced these people would be less willing to keep babies and maybe good for the future.

Alfie.
 
So I emailed the MNR about future auctions of confiscated fishing equipment and I got this reply from the MNR today.

Thank you for your question. Fishing equipment seized by Ministry of Natural Resources conservation orders is held pending the outcome of court. If the equipment is forfeited to the Crown, then it may be disposed of in a variety of manners. Many fishing rods are donated to fish and game clubs for use in children's fishing events, or to provincial parks or the OFAH for the OFAH TackleShare program. Equipment that is of very little value or use, or illegal to possess, is generally destroyed, although some items are kept for conservation outreach purposes. In rare cases auctions may be held, but these are usually in conjunction with a fish and game club. There is no scheduling of auctions; if one was to occur, it would be as a result of large quantities of seizures being held by a specific enforcement unit.

I thanked him and said that I was glad the equipment was used to promote fishing for kids. Fruglers will have to get gear another way... :angry: spend the big bucks and pay the taxes. Or use Kijiji/craigslist........lol. :D
 
So I emailed the MNR about future auctions of confiscated fishing equipment and I got this reply from the MNR today.

Thank you for your question. Fishing equipment seized by Ministry of Natural Resources conservation orders is held pending the outcome of court. If the equipment is forfeited to the Crown, then it may be disposed of in a variety of manners. Many fishing rods are donated to fish and game clubs for use in children's fishing events, or to provincial parks or the OFAH for the OFAH TackleShare program. Equipment that is of very little value or use, or illegal to possess, is generally destroyed, although some items are kept for conservation outreach purposes. In rare cases auctions may be held, but these are usually in conjunction with a fish and game club. There is no scheduling of auctions; if one was to occur, it would be as a result of large quantities of seizures being held by a specific enforcement unit.

I thanked him and said that I was glad the equipment was used to promote fishing for kids. Fruglers will have to get gear another way... :angry: spend the big bucks and pay the taxes. Or use Kijiji/craigslist........lol. :D


(desperately tries to fit into small boy's clothing purchased at Value Village and knocks at MNR door... shirt barely covers chest, pants bursting at the seams)

"Howwo nice MNR man, I am here for my free fishing rod"

:D
 
So I emailed the MNR about future auctions of confiscated fishing equipment and I got this reply from the MNR today.

Thank you for your question. Fishing equipment seized by Ministry of Natural Resources conservation orders is held pending the outcome of court. If the equipment is forfeited to the Crown, then it may be disposed of in a variety of manners. Many fishing rods are donated to fish and game clubs for use in children's fishing events, or to provincial parks or the OFAH for the OFAH TackleShare program. Equipment that is of very little value or use, or illegal to possess, is generally destroyed, although some items are kept for conservation outreach purposes. In rare cases auctions may be held, but these are usually in conjunction with a fish and game club. There is no scheduling of auctions; if one was to occur, it would be as a result of large quantities of seizures being held by a specific enforcement unit.

I thanked him and said that I was glad the equipment was used to promote fishing for kids. Fruglers will have to get gear another way... :angry: spend the big bucks and pay the taxes. Or use Kijiji/craigslist........lol. :D


Well, at least it is going to a good cause.
 

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