New Braided Lines for 2009

[Garry2rs]

There are a whole bunch of new braided lines coming for 2009.
Spiderwire will introduce a new Camouflage version of their Stealth Braid.

The line has I think four different shades of brown...

There will also be Stealth RED...

Very bright!

Then there's something called Spiderwire EZ Braid.
It's supposed to be 2 or 3 three times thinner than mono of the same pound test and it's coated for smoother casting...

Stren has a new braid called Sonic.

It features a new and unique finish called GlideCoat Technology developed by Stren. They say that this GlideCoat treatment provides a finish to the fibers that lasts longer and holds color better. It sounds as if the coating helps form a stronger bond to the line material.
The one I'm waiting to see is the new Fireline Braid.

This new braided Fireline comes in two forms, regular and what they call Tracer...The Tracer line is dual colored, alternating every 30 inches between a high visibility chartreuse/green and low visibility dark green.
Braided Fireline is also supposed to be rounder, smoother and stronger.
I'm hoping to find it in Bass Pro or Cabela's when I go south in a couple of months.
If it's not available in October, I'm sure it will be in the Xmas catalogues, so I'll be able to let you know what it is like to fish with before next Spring.
Garry2rs

 

[Bigfisherman]

Cool, thats some great info on new lines to try out next year

 

[ec1]

thanks for the info. i saw on the cabelas flyer the other day, but camo i believe has less and costs more . sucks
the other ones look interesting too !

 

[YAWN]

Garry2rs what's the deal with coloured line?

I always assumed match your line to the colour of the water unless fly fishing for obvious reasons.

So I guess my ? is why the bright coloured lines? They make a difference other than braided being too strong I can't cut it with my teeth!

 

[Garry2rs]

Remember that in the States most Bass fishing takes place in reservoirs that have what we would call dirty or muddy water. Underwater, red is the first colour to disappear, so some anglers like the bright colour to make strike detection easy, but don't feel fish notice it, because below 5 to 12 feet it appears black.
The multi colour Fireline Tracer is the same sort of idea...A line that will stand out against the background colour of the water and the segments will make small line movements easier to see.
Camo is a really old idea, in the fifties, before mono was invented everyone used braided line...Nylon, cotton or Dacron were the one's that I remember. The Dacron that my Dad used came in a camo pattern that was supposed to be less visible to fish than plain black line.
The important thing about these new lines in my opinion, is that it's been about twelve years since Super-line appeared on the market. There were a flurry of small improvements for the first few years, but since 2002 or 2003 nothing has changed except the introduction of plain white lines...Crystal and Invisabraid.
Now suddenly the big line companies are showing new patterns with coatings that are supposed to make the line smoother casting and hold the colour longer.
Again, in my opinion, one problem for the big line companies is that braid doesn't wear out like mono. Tournament guys aren't re-spooling every night after a day on the water...They don't need those 1500 yard spools of spare line in the truck...That's a lot of lost business.
By adding coatings that will wear off and fancy colours that will wash off, I think the manufacturers are trying to build in some obsolence. When the colour fades maybe you will re-spool even though the line is still good...

 

[PainInTheBass]

Garry,

It sounds like the line companies are preying on anglers who fear that any deterioration in effectiveness, no matter how slight, may result in significantly less than optimal performance. I am sure that if I were a tournament angler, I would re-spool as soon as I lost any confidence in my line (or any part of my equipment for that matter). It's an interesting theory that companies intentionally build into the design of these lines, components that are designed to fail after a given time to increase turnover.

As someone who fishes more frequently than most, have you noticed any difference in presentation effectiveness when the colour of braid begins to washout?

 

[disspatcher]

Yep, Ill keep my sunfaded green powerpro,,just as strong as the day I spooled it!
:mrgreen:

 

[YAWN]

Garry2rs "red is the first colour to disappear"

So does that explain why people are on this red hook crazy? more to do with them being less visable than anything else?

I'd really like to know if there is any truth to that?

 

[disspatcher]

works both ways, dissapears in deep diving baits, and supposed to show injury in shallow running baits. But definalty attracts fisherman

 

[Garry2rs]

For many years I used 80 pound braid made by Western Filament that was called "Tuff Line XP" on my musky rods. It was just like Power Pro, but sold for less in Canada. In the USA the prices were the same...go figure???
The line started as dark green and washed out to a soft whitish-yellow. In my opinion it was as strong when I sold the reels as the day I had put it on.
In my opinion, red line, hooks, spots of paint and strands of rubber skirt material are mostly to catch fishermen.
On shallow baits, it might look like blood...it can't do any harm. However, as I said before, red appears to be black below about 5 feet to 12 feet, depending on water clarity.

Most Bass tournament angers dream of being a Bass Pro...They know that the Pro's change their line after every day of fishing. We all want to be like our hero's ... Don't We?
That amounts to a ton of fishing line going into the trash every weekend...and that my friends is money in the bank for Trilene, Stren, Spiderwire, etc. In five years the Pro's may still be pushing plastic line, but we will see what happens as these new line hit the water.

Perhaps the manufactures see braid as the line of choice for the weekend fisherman. If the new coated braided lines start to show wear after a month of hard fishing. That might be a years worth for most people, but at least it will give them something that appears to wear out and an excuse to change the lines. The Pro's are doing this for a living...They will continue to promote their sponsors Mono and Fluoro, and to use whatever they think gives them an edge.

 

[ec1]

So garry, have you had experience with other types of braid besides PP? Im actually thinking about getting braid in the near future, but am afriad that i will be getting a bad product. i hear of braid sometimes just falling apart at the ends, and damaging rods.

And what do you feel about those coatings on the braid?

 

[Garry2rs]

Off the top of my head I remember using Power Pro, three or four versions of Tuff-Line, all the colours of Fireline, Spiderwire-Stealth, These were all good...
I also tried Spiderwire Invisa-Braid, Gorilla braid, Berkley Fusion,
These were not so good in my opinion.
The key to choosing braid is to match the line diameter you are using now to the braid you are buying...in other words if you are using 6 pound test mono for weightless Senko's look at 10 or 20 pound Powerpro or 14 pound Fireline.
DON"T MATCH POUND TEST.
Here's the problem, ten pound PowerPro is the diameter of 2 pound Stren. If you used 2 pound Stren around Zebra mussels and sharp-edged granite boulders you would expect to get cut off. If you need the abrasion resistance of a 10 pound test mono, your should be looking at about 30 or 40 pound PowerPro.
The line will not damage rods or guides on average quality fishing rods. If a guy is using a $5.00 Barbie rod, or some whippy old fiberglass antique, maybe he should up-grade that first...grin.
Fireline is made of long fibers that are bonded together. After the finish wears off the fibers there will be some to
delamination and fraying at the end. I don't think this reduces the strength ...it just looks bad. A real braid is about four strands of small fibers that are braided together. It is rounder than Fireline and stays neat looking even after the colours start to fade. The line doesn't wear out from sunlight etc. It is fairly durable where it's rubbing over rocks etc. however I retie at the first sign of fraying, because I use a lot of very fine 10 pound test line.
The average spinning rod user will be happy if they start with 20 pound test PP.

 

[David Kearney]

Off the top of my head I remember using Power Pro, three or four versions of Tuff-Line, all the colours of Fireline, Spiderwire-Stealth, These were all good...
I also tried Spiderwire Invisa-Braid, Gorilla braid, Berkley Fusion,
These were not so good in my opinion.
The key to choosing braid is to match the line diameter you are using now to the braid you are buying...in other words if you are using 6 pound test mono for weightless Senko's look at 10 or 20 pound Powerpro or 14 pound Fireline.
DON"T MATCH POUND TEST.
Here's the problem, ten pound PowerPro is the diameter of 2 pound Stren. If you used 2 pound Stren around Zebra mussels and sharp-edged granite boulders you would expect to get cut off. If you need the abrasion resistance of a 10 pound test mono, your should be looking at about 30 or 40 pound PowerPro.
The line will not damage rods or guides on average quality fishing rods. If a guy is using a $5.00 Barbie rod, or some whippy old fiberglass antique, maybe he should up-grade that first...grin.
Fireline is made of long fibers that are bonded together. After the finish wears off the fibers there will be some to
delamination and fraying at the end. I don't think this reduces the strength ...it just looks bad. A real braid is about four strands of small fibers that are braided together. It is rounder than Fireline and stays neat looking even after the colours start to fade. The line doesn't wear out from sunlight etc. It is fairly durable where it's rubbing over rocks etc. however I retie at the first sign of fraying, because I use a lot of very fine 10 pound test line.
The average spinning rod user will be happy if they start with 20 pound test PP.

Thanke for all the info, I have never used braided line, maybe abit intimidating...but now alittle more educated, I will give it a try!

 

[ec1]

thanks a lot garry!
but damn, went to the states the last couple of days and NEVER saw a bps or cabelas...kinda disappointed ..drove all the way from toronto down to nyc, only saw signs, but never got to find them. should have done my homework before leaving my house.

 

[disspatcher]

FYI..Beware of the new RED LINE!
Posted on another board...
I recently purchased a spool of power pro phantom red 50lb test. I purchased this line based on a friends advice. The line was purchased at the same time that I bought a new rod (bass pro shops signature series) and reel (abu garcia ambassadeur record no. 60). After approx 10-15 casts I noticed the red dye from the line starting to stain my hands, after about an hours use the red dye was everywhere. The dye has permiated into the cork handle of my new rod and stained all of the rubber handles and grips on my reel as well as left a powdery like substance (red) throughout the external components of my reel. The total cost of my rod/reel/line combo is approx $325 cdn. I am now the owner of a reddish pink muskie rod and reel, to the amusement of my friends. I am less then happy after reviewing the instructions of the line to comfirm that, nowhere in the instructions does it say that the die may stain everything it touches when first installed. In hindsight, I think I may have gone with a different color or possibly a different line if I had of known this would be the result. I caution everyone who has concidered this line to think twice, the line is extremely strong, and versitile, probably the best braided line I have used, but the results will have you seeing red.....literally!!!!!

 

[Garry2rs]

It is true that the dye will eventually wash out of the Spectra fiber that Power Pro is made from. However, in about ten years of using these lines I have never seen or heard of anything like this persons alleged experience.
Ask yourself; How much dye would be required to do the damage that he is claiming? An ounce...maybe a couple of ounces??? How much dye could 100 yards of line hold? A 1/4 teaspoon? What was he fishing in? Turpentine?
I guess that it is possible that something like this could happen, but I doubt it!

 

[disspatcher]

... :mrgreen: the response I was waiting for.


This was actually a friend of mine. I will post pics once I get them from him.

 

[disspatcher]

Just a few other cases of dye coming out of the line.[/b]

By the way, my friend doesnt say how much dye came out, just that they didnt warn him before he used it and now its everywhere...it does get over everything when you are out and with out cleaning supplies it is understandable.

1)"I use the Power Pro 80# for halibut. Love it. Though the dye when new will make a little mess when it gets wet."

2) "Same here I use Power Pro 80# for halibut and 50# for my lighter jig rod and for Kings. That stuff is crazy tough, I swear you could pull up your anchor with it. Have gotten hung with the 80 and had no choice but to cut the line. I don't care for the spider wire as it seems to be rougher on the rod eyes."

Happy Fishing

Steve

3) "AK Grey, I had the same issue with the dye on from the Power Pro staining my fiber glass, I contacted the company and they told me to clean it with rubbing alcohol I believe. I had to send them a 1 foot piece of my line, they sent me a new 300 yd spool. Not a bad trade"

4) THIS QUOTE IS A REVIEW ON CABELA'S WEBSITE!!! A Company where a few of us shop Im told!

"great line for the $ but be aware that it will bleed the red dye first time it gets wet and the stuff seems to stain boat gel coats. soak in bucket of warm water first to avoid this if you want to keep your boat clean."


5)"]I went out and got the red crap for my musky gear last fall , what a joke red dye all over my boat. [/A company must not have much pride to allow S##t like that to go on the market and expect there customers to accept it .The green line on the other hand is great for casting big lures ,does not burn and gives a long cast..B]

6)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Watch out for the red dye on your white boat cushions. It is a real pain to clean .Been there done that.

7) THIS POST CAME FROM A THREAD FROM ANOTHER GREAT FORUM CALLED OFN..Mr 2r's actually had commented on it during the thread, maybe he forget to read on to page 2?

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I use PP 20# green on my spinning gear and 50# red on my baitcaster. Luv 'em both, however, the red comes of on your hands, reel and rod eyes. Never had it snap, even got it wrapped around a tree branch parcticing with egg sinkers in the backyard during the boring-arse winter and nearly took the whole tree (50#). Line dug DEEP into the branch as I wanted to test its strength, would've been my PB maple

Stained fibre glass;....cushions...the boats Gel Coat...wow..how much dye is in this line??
Seem like there is alot of Turpintine fishing going on! :mrgreen:

If you need any more examples let me know!

All of these guys(Including my pals post) have complained about the dye BUT THEY ALL commended the company for a great product regardless.
Power Pro ALSO reconizes the problem and backed up the customer service with a new spool.Obviously there had been or is a problem and they did every effort to fix it and keep a customer happy.


This should clear up any doubts!!![/b
My 2 cents.
Disspatcher.

 

[Garry2rs]

I am using red PP 10 pound and 20 pound on my 6 spinning rods. The oldest line was spooled last October and has faded from bright Fire-Engine red to a dull 30 year old pick-up truck red...
When applying tension to the line I was spooling, I have had black dye come off of Fireline onto my fingers. There have also been slight green streaks or red streaks left on my fingers after spooling Powerpro. The stains were slight and washed off.

What kind of warning did your friend have in mind? Has he considered a frivolous law suit? Perhaps he should...It worked out well for the lady who wasn't warned her McDonald's coffee was hot! :roll:

I notice that in a couple of the cases sighted the target species was Halibut...Perhaps salt water draws the dye...I also see 80 pound test mentioned...if we extrapolate, we could say there would be 4 to 8 times more dye in that heavy line than in my light lines. Murphy's Law says "If something can happen, it will happen." So, it's also possible that there was a production problem and a bad lot was shipped.

In any case I can only tell you that I have not had this problem myself.

 

[disspatcher]

"What kind of warning did your friend have in mind? Has he considered a frivolous law suit? Perhaps he should...It worked out well for the lady who wasn't warned her McDonald's coffee was hot! "

..Not at all.
Like the other thread read, he is not the first or the last to complain about this problem. Power Pro did not question the customer and backed the product.

You mentioned in your last post "However, in about ten years of using these lines I have never seen or heard of anything like this persons alleged experience."
You wanted examples, I gave you examples. Maybe it is you who is misinformed.

"I notice that in a couple of the cases sighted the target species was Halibut...Perhaps salt water draws the dye..."
So what are you saying..maybe they should have warned you if it was not intended for salt water??
Please refer to your last sarcastic statement.

Yes; there just may have been a bad lot in production;
It may be only in a certain lb test, and it could have been the salt water.

My point was that "this persons alleged experience" actually happened. He was not looking for a frivolous law suit, nor was he fishing in Turpintine! It actually happened and is fact. He and I were just passing along some friendly information to people who have yet to try this product.

That is why I included many examples of people who have used the red PP from all different areas, and applications!
You may have not had a problem but that doesnt mean anyone else has.
(You also mentioned you were using a spinning outfit, his was a baitcaster)

I guess it really all comes down to message board etiquette.

Flaming other peoples posts, ideas, reports will not be tolerated here.

I guess that it is possible that something like this could happen;and it just may happen again.

But I strongly doubt it.

My last 2 cents.
Disspatcher.