Yeah I implied that catch and release is fine lol
After reading over your post I see what you were implying, but think it is good to clear up any confusion. I guess I was a little slow on that one. Sorry.
Are you allowed to net a fish that is biting onto a fish that is already hooked but the fish itself
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After reading over your post I see what you were implying, but think it is good to clear up any confusion. I guess I was a little slow on that one. Sorry.
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For you to legally keep any fish, it must be caught on a hook in the mouth. So if you have a fish thats clinging on the other, but not hooked, its still illegal to keep it, since you scooping it up would technically be netting. Even if you were to drag a fish to shore, and it lets go, netting it would still be illegal. People have been fined for it plenty of times.
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The original post had to do with netting the fish, not keeping it. The scenario is a catch and release one.
Since you didn't view the original video, I'll break it down for you.
While fishing on a boat person X catches a Walleye. As he is bringing in the Walleye, a Pike tries to eat it and the fish ends up half way in the mouth of the Pike. The pike is not hooked, but the Walleye is. They net both fish and bring them into the boat. Now, person X can release both fish or keep only the Walleye. This is not breaking a law. What do you expect anyone in this situation to do? Wrestle the Walleye out of the Pike's mouth in the water. Yeah, right.
Keep in mind -- the original post was simply about netting and not keeping.
Joel52
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe this thread is all about netting with the intent to keep, thus the reference to it being illegal. The bozos with the 4 walleye tossed them into the live well... so they could release them later? I doubt it. They were keeping them. The "normal" temptation, especially if they're nice fish and a person is not over limit would be to keep them/it.
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Generally speaking, the minute you break the surface, fish B will let go, it happens quite frequently where I live, and the normal result is larger fish will let go if they feel threatened. The people in the video tossed the fish in a live well, does that even remotely seem like someone whos planning on releasing them?
Also, pause the condescending attitude please, I know people who have been fined for this exact thing.
Thats pretty much what I understood from the video as well, Joel.
hammercarp
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If you have something better in mind let's see it.
ScugogBassFisher2011
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How the heck do you catch 4 at once???? wow...
hammercarp
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You stated that it was the dumbest reg you have heard of, this implies you know of better. And you do. " A fish caught is a fish caught" Brilliant! I'd send that one in to the MNR as soon as possible. I'm sure it would clear a lot up. :grin:
fisher12
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Did you read the regs, 4 hooks allowed per line.
Fish can get hooked without setting the hook too you know, so if you leave out the 4 hooks with bait and come back there will probably be a few fish on.
I would assume it is okay if the fish being attacked wasn't a game fish, otherwise it's as if you're using a gamefish as bait, which is illegal.
hammercarp
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There is a list of species that are legal as bait in the Regulations Summary on page 10. It has nothing to do with whether it's a game fish or not. On the right hand side of the forums page scroll down, you will find the sectionPopular Links, The first one listed is the Ontario Fishing Regulations . Hope this helps.
hammercarp
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The answer to this is simple. The regs state that a fish must be hooked in the mouth . If not it must be released. So , you can net the fish and then release it. If you don't release it you are breaking the law. No need to rewrite the regulations over this one.
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"Hey I watch this really cool youtube video where a dude caught a walleye but then a pike attacked the walleye and had it half way down it's mouth. I was wondering under just circumstances if it would be legal to net both the pike and the walleye together. The hook is on the walleye, but the pike kind of tried to swallow the walleye but was not hooked by the rod. It was a really cool video, you should check it out too. Just youtube it. "
This is the original post, and two posts down is the video. Nothing about keeping a fish, only the scenario. My reply was to the original post and the following video (Walleye/Pike). I never mentioned the Walleye video, and since intent was in bold as I had it [as in your reply], I assume this reply was to me. Either way, you're a stand up guy with oodles to add to the community -- just thought I'd add that. As for the Walleye video, yes, they were breaking laws.
Sorry for the confusion. My replies have been about the original post and his video following a few down from that. This poster was asking about the Walleye/Pike video -- not the Walleye poaching video a few more posts down the line, which I tried to make clear. Hopefully this will make my second post in this thread more clear. Had he netted the Walleye and pike, I believe no harm, no foul. In other words, an anomaly to the law.
In my first post I mentioned the Walleye/Pike example/video, as the original poster did. I was not being condescending, only clear and concise.
Thanks.
ScugogBassFisher2011
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Why don't you just net them both and then put a hook in the mouth of the pike and then reel him back in, then it would be hooked!!!! JUST KIDDING LOL!!!!
BTW, I thought of another rule problem, you know how you are not allowed to take fish home unless you've killed them and you are not allowed to transfer them into other bodies of water blah blah blah... What about the like huge display tank at Bass Pro Shops, someone had to transport those fish from a lake into that display tank without killing the fish lol... Wouldn't that be illegal too lol.... Am I allowed to catch fish and have them as pets in a huge tank too? lollllllll.... Just something that crossed my mind when I was staring at their fish tank at Vaugh Mills lol...
hammercarp
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They would have obtained a permit to transfer the fish and also one to keep them. Or more likely a guy that has commercial fish ponds would have moved the fish for them. He would have the proper paper work.
ScugogBassFisher2011
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lol apparently, you are allowed to make donations to that fish tank. If you catch a big fish, you can donate it to them to put into the tank if they approve. Lol, I know this cuz I called them about taxidermy, but they don't do it in canada and ship it to the states, furthermore they don't do the real skin grafts, they do the fiberglass replicas, which I didn't really like cuz it seems faker than normal, anyone can take a picture and measure length and have a fish made, but skin grafts are more legit. But lol prob my last fish trophy for a long time, they aren't cheap to make....
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LargeMouthBassFisher2011
Did you ever think about Marineland? :lol:
Did you ever think about Marineland? :lol:
Joel52
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Seriously, not worth arguing about - reread posts 4 & 5. They define the intent and opportunity we're discussing (intent). It's not only about netting, but keeping the fish also. We now all know (in case someone didn't before) if you net a game fish without hooking it in the mouth, you must release it - and that's a good thing. The law is there mostly to protect spawning runs in shallow waters, however this other scenario was one of the gray areas that is now black and white to those that didn't know.
The only legal nets are commercial fishing boats and native exceptions, aside from MNR surveys. Thanks for the kind words.
Peace
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