Centre Pins

[tossing iron]

Don't dare mention thickness.
Their both invisible .ha
Marketing the only difference.

 

[Bird]

I join leader and main line with improved blood knot. Clear water all i can say is i go with floro i produce more hits and fish. I will not argue because this is only my personal experience and works for me. Is floro better? clear water for me yes. Dirty water i usually fish heavier regular tippet. To say is floro better i am in no way qualified to say but for me personally it works so will continue with what works.

 

[tossing iron]

Really quite simple.
Pay the extra money for useless floro leader and extra weak point on your line.
Or get a Tims in the morning or use the savings for gas money.
I don't get your resistance. Lol

 

[tossing iron]

Maybe if I made a commercial aired between fishing shows you guys would get it.
No matter.
I'll take the savings.

 

[Bird]

Like i said i dont care what others do floro works for me under certain conditions. I dont pretend to know it all that is for sure so i just go with what works for me.

 

[tossing iron]

Said my piece.
We all make our own choices.
I'm just not easily lead the difference.

 

[Porkpie]

Frogwaters are ok, but after owning one they are no smoother than any of my reels, I think he does a nice job on production and the machining isn excellent but my old drifter runs just as well. Still, enjoyable to own but now that I have one, it doesn't stand out to me and it's not a reel that I would never sell. I do like the looks of then Canada Fishing reel offerings! The ber reels to me won't hold any value and their coming on the market has been clouded with controversy. Not something I'd buy into.

 

[ApacheFishingVentures]

I really don't know much about pins but ill tell you what i do know! You don't need a drag on these reels; its becomes second nature to palm and why risk losing a big fish because your drag pooched? I'm sure islanders and those fancy demarcos and bers or whatever are really nice to use, but i have an old apex that is neat to own and drifts quite nice even after 30 years on the river and i've had the pleasure of using a base model raven matrix which ill soon be getting for a steal as a backup and honestly.... Couldn't really tell the difference between the apex and the matrix, or buddies islander beside us for that matter... We're talking minor differences in build quality as you go up in price but that's about it... Any bearing can be serviced or replaced to make a superior reel. It comes down to aesthetics really... Reality is, a centerpin is very basic and reliability should be the only priority since a simple design like that should last forever.

I honestly feel like this is what Tossing Iron feels like when talking about fluro... Just another way to catch fisherman, not fish. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

 

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No saying you should not be on the river using under 6lb test. Depends on water and rod quality light medium or heavy action rod. Math has nothing to do with it 5 lb Drennan no problem in the waters i fish most of the time.

if im not mistaken drennan in rated less then what it actually is. 5lb is like 6.6lb# equivalent in mono is it not

 

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and yes tossing, line thickness does matter, this past fall i was fishing chinnys, started at 10lb mono leader, watched the pool swim around my line, dropped down to 6.6lb lead, all of sudden, they weren't swimming around my line and smashing my fly

 

[tossing iron]

and yes tossing, line thickness does matter, this past fall i was fishing chinnys, started at 10lb mono leader, watched the pool swim around my line, dropped down to 6.6lb lead, all of sudden, they weren't swimming around my line and smashing my fly

Exactly why I run 6 lb clear main.
I find my bait size is what I have to drop drastically in clear water.

 

[ApacheFishingVentures]

Exactly why I run 6 lb clear main.
I find my bait size is what I have to drop drastically in clear water.

If the claims about fluro being invisible in water are true, why not just always run 8-10 pound leaders, or even main line for that matter, and be able to play the fish quicker with less chance of losing it?

 

[ApacheFishingVentures]

Besides, we run split shot and glass beads for a reason... to get into the strike zone fast! So why run all the shot and the glass bead only to be slowed down by a floating line? Would make the most sense to almost exclusively use 8 lbs fluro... no? I know it's expensive but with superior abrasion resistance, you should be able to run a leader for longer, saving you at least some leader material in the long run.

 

[tossing iron]

If the claims about fluro being invisible in water are true, why not just always run 8-10 pound leaders, or even main line for that matter, and be able to play the fish quicker with less chance of losing it?

Ha makes sense to me.
Only time I even consider a leader is fishing pike.
Been fishing exclusively 6 lb mono main for decades. Retie after every fish . No problem. I am curious though how a typical pin is loaded ?

 

[ApacheFishingVentures]

Ha makes sense to me.
Only time I even consider a leader is fishing pike.
Been fishing exclusively 6 lb mono main for decades. Retie after every fish . No problem. I am curious though how a typical pin is loaded ?

And if that's what works for you, keep on doing it! haha thats what I love about fishing, there's no way right or wrong way and everyone's got their own habits that make them a unique angler. You can load a pin however you want really, ive got like 150 yds of braid backing and a full spool of 10 lbs maxima chameleon as my main line and that's whats always on my reel. I then change up leader based on water conditions but over the last few months ive almost only run Seaguar Abrazx 8 lbs fluro and i haven't felt the need to change, then again what do i know? Could explain all those slow days haha Some guys run a full spool of mono, some run braid to hi vis floating mono to act as a strike indicator, but like any other technique, it all come down to preference and whats gonna work for you in any given situation. I knew I was gonna use my float rod for anything from small creek nymphing to the whirlpool so i figured 10lbs was a happy middle for main line.

 

[tossing iron]

Thanks for the lesson.
As you can read I'm totally ignorant on the pin ways.
Not trying to put down the method.
Just trying to figure out why I always lose when we cross lines. Lol
As I said I don't really care about losing a fish.
Plenty more coming.
Just have to give you guys more space.
Getting harder though.
Pins quickly becoming the choice on the river.

 

[ApacheFishingVentures]

Thanks for the lesson.
As you can read I'm totally ignorant on the pin ways.
Not trying to put down the method.
Just trying to figure out why I always lose when we cross lines. Lol
As I said I don't really care about losing a fish.
Plenty more coming.
Just have to give you guys more space.
Getting harder though.
Pins quickly becoming the choice on the river.

Just sharing what i know. I actually only got into float and pin fishing this year because i got lucky and got a great deal on a rod and reel. I was very against them for a long time and to this day I admit it's by far the easiest way to get into some fish and as a fly fisherman, the jealousy took over. That being said, it's not really always the most fun form of targeting steelhead and that's why I'll always have my fly rod ready. And I wouldn't know about crossing lines cause i don't fish small crowded creeks for that exact reason lol I'm sure it'll happen eventually on some river but i've been lucky so far.

 

[ApacheFishingVentures]

And i think pins becoming the norm is just a result of social media and people HAVING to pose with their rods making close minded anglers feel like it's the ONLY way to catch a fish. Like any fad, it'll die down and hopefully so will the crowds on the river. And then maybe we will see some more affordable pins come to market, cause right now, the prices on those things is outrageous...

 

[wlatyn]

Flouro sinks...mono floats
Also, pinners use a leader so when they break off, they only lose the leader, not everything from the float on down. (Although I must say, I've lost the whole shooting match on occasion, especially if the shot(s) above the leader get snagged). Some guys run two swivels and three thicknesses of line. (Main line with float>swivel>shot line>swivel>leader).

 

[Huronfly]

Yes Apache... enter the the Dark Side, that is spey... and steelheading will be fun again :mrgreen: