I find I'm able to get along fine with birders. I'll point out the species I've seen, and like to hear about the different species that are making a comeback. And I certain share their concerns about the dog walkers letting their animals roam everywhere. Last weekend some yachters let their dogs free where a pair of swans have a nest at the Ashbridges marina, and where a crane frequently spends its evenings. It's maddening. And in Tommy Thompson, a lot of the garbage that hasn't obviously come across from the city is dumped by people there to fish. I took my son down to catch some panfish etc at Embayment D yesterday and today, and both times wound up packing out someone else's beer cans, water bottles, tackle packaging, broken lures, worm containers, and line, line, line. I commend TUFA, I think they're tacking a very constructive approach.