When the day comes, and I'm sure it eventually will, that I have to pay the Ontario government $100+ for a fishing license, species specific to boot, that is the day that I will hang up my fishing rods. Or move. Most likely the latter.w_ boughner said:
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W_boughner
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Really you would move to not have to pay 8.30$ a month ??if you fish enough it's less than a dollar an outing
kickisasssebas
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Atta Boy! Good on you.
You know what would be even better? Pictures....takes loads of picture and post them on websites!!!
You know what would be even better? Pictures....takes loads of picture and post them on websites!!!
Likewise this weekend. I saw Boris and his wife come jogging to the river. Typical look. Cheap chest waders, a muskie rod. At first he had a spoon with a treble on. Then just a treble hook with lots of wieghts. Still not hooking anything, he would then drag the trip of his rod across the fish as they passed right infront of him less that 6" of water.
I was fishing in a pool and hooking fish left right and centre. Not 5 minutes would pass and I didnt have a fish on. All of the ones that were in the yap were fought and released. The ones that were foul hooked were broken off immediatly. I went as far as to tell him and his wife what he was doing was illegal.
This guy was watching my wife and I hook fish after fish, in Russian he was discussing with his wife and based on the tone is his voice, he was becomming incresingly upset. In efforts to get him to stop snagging I even gave him a fish I landed, thinking he would leave.
I called MNR after about an hour they showed up. The officer either video'd or took pictures of the guy prior to handing out tickets. I dont know that the conversation was between MNR and Boris, but he was issued a ticket and I witness MNR taking his rod and putting in the back of his pick up truck as they parted ways.
I was fishing in a pool and hooking fish left right and centre. Not 5 minutes would pass and I didnt have a fish on. All of the ones that were in the yap were fought and released. The ones that were foul hooked were broken off immediatly. I went as far as to tell him and his wife what he was doing was illegal.
This guy was watching my wife and I hook fish after fish, in Russian he was discussing with his wife and based on the tone is his voice, he was becomming incresingly upset. In efforts to get him to stop snagging I even gave him a fish I landed, thinking he would leave.
I called MNR after about an hour they showed up. The officer either video'd or took pictures of the guy prior to handing out tickets. I dont know that the conversation was between MNR and Boris, but he was issued a ticket and I witness MNR taking his rod and putting in the back of his pick up truck as they parted ways.
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the loogans are getting smarter though. saw one tipping his treble with a worm and of course...mallows...on the salmon express way. as soon as you're accurate that you got the fish other than the mouth. cut your line. as for getting someone injured because the salmon got some jewelries they didn't see. well we got nets for that sort of things.
fines...$$$
injury....more $$$
net - $19.99
fines...$$$
injury....more $$$
net - $19.99
LOL! No BS- I landed a fish with a huge Rapala rattle bait attached to its tail. I took it off the tail, revived it and let him go.
Wierd people would use that in a river.
Oh I think I know why, bc salmon cannot resist the double treble hooks. Ill take a pic of it this evening. Shocking to see that one of the treble hooks all 3 hooks were opened. How much and what was this person doing?
As for tailing a salmon with jewlery on it, Something that is a freak accident, I am carefull when even using a net to properly observe if and where there are other hooks on these fish.
Wierd people would use that in a river.
Oh I think I know why, bc salmon cannot resist the double treble hooks. Ill take a pic of it this evening. Shocking to see that one of the treble hooks all 3 hooks were opened. How much and what was this person doing?
As for tailing a salmon with jewlery on it, Something that is a freak accident, I am carefull when even using a net to properly observe if and where there are other hooks on these fish.
And what about for those of us who wish to go out only once a year? That's $100 per outing.w_ boughner said:
Take my girlfriend for example. She likes to try for sunfish off the dock (with worms and a big red and white bobber) up at her parents cottage when she goes up once a year. She doesn't mind paying less than $20 for the "privilege", but she would never pay $100+. That would be insane.
At $100+ per year, there are many Ontarians who would be effectively priced out of enjoying a resource that should be enjoyed by all. The resource should not be accessible to only the die hard fishermen who can rationalize being gouged IMO.
And besides, the OMNR operating budget for 2012 was $700,000,000. Only a tiny portion of that comes from fishing license revenue. What's an extra $ million or two going to do if they can't enforce the regs now?
fishernick
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I dont know whos been out with rusty but hes way better than any COs at enforcing the regs(seriously)! lol and good for a few laughs. as always your on'em buddy. keep it up and we can keep dreaming of loogan free rivers 
The second i know ive snagged a fish i break off. normally if its a good hook set in the mouth you should feel the headshakes immediately, if it takes a big long run and you got no control, you got yourself a snagged fish. break off and retie. if you do this you will save yourself a ton of time, instead of trying to land a fish you have no control of.
The second i know ive snagged a fish i break off. normally if its a good hook set in the mouth you should feel the headshakes immediately, if it takes a big long run and you got no control, you got yourself a snagged fish. break off and retie. if you do this you will save yourself a ton of time, instead of trying to land a fish you have no control of.
usernamehere
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I think this is what the 2 free fishing week/weekends are for. For people who dont want to pay for license, but want to fish once a year just for the heck of it. Granted, it is very limited, but makes it easier to enforce it.openfire said:
As for the $100 license,I agree that this would be insane, and would encourage licenseless fishng. It would do more harm than good imo.
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I dont know about you, but I would want people to try and get the hooks off the fish, even if its snagged. Especially when the hook is on its tail, where most people tend to grab the fish. Iv had my fingers pierced by leftover hooks (not from salmons), and its not a pleasant surprise. No matter how careful you may be, when you are grabbing a large fish out of the water, it can be hard to tell whats stuck onto it.fishernick said:I dont know whos been out with rusty but hes way better than any COs at enforcing the regs(seriously)! lol and good for a few laughs. as always your on'em buddy. keep it up and we can keep dreaming of loogan free rivers
The second i know ive snagged a fish i break off. normally if its a good hook set in the mouth you should feel the headshakes immediately, if it takes a big long run and you got no control, you got yourself a snagged fish. break off and retie. if you do this you will save yourself a ton of time, instead of trying to land a fish you have no control of.
fishernick
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i never like harming fish and leaving hooks in. but im not one of those fisherman that sets the hook on every wiggle of the float during salmon season. thats problem number one, people not being able to tell the difference between a legit take and your bait bumping into fish while when they are stacked up in the pools and runs.
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I think this is what the 2 free fishing week/weekends are for. For people who dont want to pay for license, but want to fish once a year just for the heck of it. Granted, it is very limited, but makes it easier to enforce it.
As for the $100 license,I agree that this would be insane, and would encourage licenseless fishng. It would do more harm than good imo.
The point I'm getting at is if they would greatly increase the number of enforcement officers and improve the stocking programs of all species I would be willing to pay a lot more for a license
I still think a tag system would be a good idea to keep tabs on how many fish are taken from our waters and even further only offer a certain number of female tags or person rather than just to say a limit per species ... I know it will never happen but I think it would be a good idea
As for the $100 license,I agree that this would be insane, and would encourage licenseless fishng. It would do more harm than good imo.
The point I'm getting at is if they would greatly increase the number of enforcement officers and improve the stocking programs of all species I would be willing to pay a lot more for a license
I still think a tag system would be a good idea to keep tabs on how many fish are taken from our waters and even further only offer a certain number of female tags or person rather than just to say a limit per species ... I know it will never happen but I think it would be a good idea
usernamehere
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Ya, i know, it would be great if they can have more enforcement.w_ boughner said:
But raising the price sky-high probably wouldnt change anything, as the number of people who actually buy the licenese would decrease, and you probably would end up with same amount of income for MNR
Government throwing more money (our money) at a problem isn't always the best solution. It rarely is...w_ boughner said:
With respect to stocking programs, from what I've read, I believe that the OMNR's ultimate goal is to have a self-sustaining fishery, with only minimal stocking. People like CC and John from CRAA probably have better intel on this, but from what I understand, they've made great progress in this regard over the last decade. Not only that, but most of the stocking work is done by volunteer organizations and clubs.
With respect to a tag system, we are talking about fish here, not moose. I understand the need for the tag system they have in place for hunting moose etc... It's a numbers game. And the numbers with respect to hunting dictate that policy... In this case, I don't think we're at the point where the salmon and steelhead fishery is in imminent danger of collapse. If we do get to that point for any particular species, I'm sure the OMNR would implement a strict catch and release (zero limit) or an outright ban on fishing for a particular endangered fish species while those populations re-establish, as we saw with the Atlantic salmon program.
I agree that enforcement is an issue, but I don't think that increasing the cost of fishing licenses will have any effect, nor should we be expected to pay more than we already do. And by the way, what makes you think that they aren't already profit maximizing at the current price point? It could very well be that they've done their market research and determined that the total revenue would decrease at higher price points due to decreased license sales. Like my girlfriend, there are probably a vast number of casual fishermen who won't pay the higher fee.
usernamehere, you posted the same point about about the price as I was typing it. lolusernamehere said:Ya, i know, it would be great if they can have more enforcement.
But raising the price sky-high probably wouldnt change anything, as the number of people who actually buy the licenese would decrease, and you probably would end up with same amount of income for MNR
FishingNoob
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OFF TOPIC -- openfire's 2000 post!openfire said:
YAY!
usernamehere
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Do I win a cookie :Oopenfire said:
Tagging fish would prove to be limited success I think with Salmon. Whats stopping Boris from just taking this home, cutting it into pieces and freezing it or cooking it tagless?
One major thing that is overlooked with this salmon tagging program is, where are all catches going to be recorded? if you are going to sit here and tell me that a CO is expected to patrol this too as well. HOW is my question?
Fish on a stringer is no one's legal possesion untill they admit it. So lets say now CO is on the river and there are 20 fish without tags, no one goes in and says they are thiers. What does the CO do? Charge everyone?
One major thing that is overlooked with this salmon tagging program is, where are all catches going to be recorded? if you are going to sit here and tell me that a CO is expected to patrol this too as well. HOW is my question?
Fish on a stringer is no one's legal possesion untill they admit it. So lets say now CO is on the river and there are 20 fish without tags, no one goes in and says they are thiers. What does the CO do? Charge everyone?
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