Need help

[shuynh]

I got my first centerpin about two months ago, and I'm still learning how to do the wallis cast. I got the okuma DRII and my 13' is rated 6-10lbs. I have dracon backing, siglon f 12bls as main and 6bls leader. I'm using the phantom floaters and about 9 tiny split shots. I'm finding it really hard to do the wallis cast. At best I can cast it about 10 feet. Am I using floaters that are too light? Is my main too thick? Or do I just suck at the wallis? Or all of the above Anyways, any input will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Steve

 

[buck]

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[christotheashto]

although it's not a bad idea to learn the wallis, i agree with Buck in learning the side cast first. at the very least, it will allow you to get fishing faster and therefore retain a joy for pinning. if you spend too much time dealing with birds nests from bad wallis cast attempts, you're never going to catch any fish and you'll quickly grow frustrated with the CP.

but i disagree with the line rating comment. 12lb main on a rod rated for 6-10 is fine. if your LEADER was 12lb, that would be a problem. but i run 10lb main on my 4-8 rod and have no problems with it whatsoever. gives me a lot more flexibility with shot lines and leaders and i never lose floats to break offs.
not really any NEED for 12LB though... 10 is the max i would go.

"9 tiny split shot" is not really accurate either. if i have a 6gram float, i make sure it's weighted to approximately 5 - 5.5 grams, so that it cocks quickly and properly, and also allows me to get maximum casting distance. that's one area where i am perhaps more exact in my science than most.

 

[schnip]

side cast= line twist

wallis focus on keeping your finger lightly on the reel while the other one pulls line off the spool

remember if you twist the hand that is holding the rod so the reel is alsmos sideways or perfectly inline with the direction you are pulling the line off it will run smooth for you

remember to pull the line off the spool jsut before you release.its timing mroe than anything..the good thing about your finger on the spool is that you can stop it deal before it becomes a mess...

 

[christotheashto]

side cast= line twist

this is something that's always been preached but i've never experienced. IMO, the use of swivels in conjunction with a quality monofilament eliminates this problem entirely. i've always been a side caster and only ever had line twist problems with the raven 8lb in fl. green
i also have a swivel directly beneath my float to my shot line, which some may not utilize, so that could be the difference.

 

[buck]

although it's not a bad idea to learn the wallis, i agree with Buck in learning the side cast first. at the very least, it will allow you to get fishing faster and therefore retain a joy for pinning. if you spend too much time dealing with birds nests from bad wallis cast attempts, you're never going to catch any fish and you'll quickly grow frustrated with the CP.

but i disagree with the line rating comment. 12lb main on a rod rated for 6-10 is fine. if your LEADER was 12lb, that would be a problem. but i run 10lb main on my 4-8 rod and have no problems with it whatsoever. gives me a lot more flexibility with shot lines and leaders and i never lose floats to break offs.
not really any NEED for 12LB though... 10 is the max i would go.

"9 tiny split shot" is not really accurate either. if i have a 6gram float, i make sure it's weighted to approximately 5 - 5.5 grams, so that it cocks quickly and properly, and also allows me to get maximum casting distance. that's one area where i am perhaps more exact in my science than most.

hey chris, you're absolutely right about the line and that's what I meant, if he's running a 6lb leader 12 lb main is not helping anything, it's stiffer and overkill and since the rod is rated for 10lb anyway, just go to a 10lb main.

 

[christotheashto]

hey chris, you're absolutely right about the line and that's what I meant, if he's running a 6lb leader 12 lb main is not helping anything, it's stiffer and overkill and since the rod is rated for 10lb anyway, just go to a 10lb main.

i figured we were on the same page 12lb is definitely overkill for steelies. at least you and i think so anyways lol

 

[shuynh]

Thanks for the response guys. I did quite a bit of Internet searching before getting the pin. A lot of the things I read online said to use 30lbs backing and 12lbs main. I guess I'll go re-spool it with 10lbs. About the weight ratio to the floater. I'm sure you guys are familiar with the black, split shots that come in the double ended tubes right? Does anyone knows how much they weigh each? Funny thing is, I have never bothered to read the packaging of floaters or split shots. I think I better pay more attention to details from now on.
I'm still gonna try to master the wallis, it just looks so graceful. Frustration has never stopped me from accomplishing any of my goals, it just pushes me to try harder, after the smoke break to calm down of course. By the looks of things, I've got a whole lot more to learn than just how to cast. Is there any good reads? or just more input will d.
Thanks

 

[buck]

Thanks for the response guys. I did quite a bit of Internet searching before getting the pin. A lot of the things I read online said to use 30lbs backing and 12lbs main. I guess I'll go re-spool it with 10lbs. About the weight ratio to the floater. I'm sure you guys are familiar with the black, split shots that come in the double ended tubes right? Does anyone knows how much they weigh each? Funny thing is, I have never bothered to read the packaging of floaters or split shots. I think I better pay more attention to details from now on.
I'm still gonna try to master the wallis, it just looks so graceful. Frustration has never stopped me from accomplishing any of my goals, it just pushes me to try harder, after the smoke break to calm down of course. By the looks of things, I've got a whole lot more to learn than just how to cast. Is there any good reads? or just more input will d.
Thanks

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[wlatyn]

I got my first centerpin about two months ago, and I'm still learning how to do the wallis cast. I got the okuma DRII and my 13' is rated 6-10lbs. I have dracon backing, siglon f 12bls as main and 6bls leader. I'm using the phantom floaters and about 9 tiny split shots. I'm finding it really hard to do the wallis cast. At best I can cast it about 10 feet. Am I using floaters that are too light? Is my main too thick? Or do I just suck at the wallis? Or all of the above Anyways, any input will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Steve

The first cast I learned when I got my centrepin approx. one month ago was the "modified" wallace cast; there is a decent youtube instructional video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHyQJIwP4w) which really helps. After a month, I can get decent distance (up to 40 ft.) with no line twist (and, more importantly, caught my first, second, third, fourth, fifth,sixth steelie!) . One point though..I use 10 lb. mono on the main: I tried to cast my buddy's centrepin - he uses braid- and I found it really challenging.

 

[shuynh]

Thanks Buck, still going through the contents. Good stuff!

 

[goodentight]

I side cast and haven't experienced line twist either. I use 8lb and then a swivel to 5lb leader line.

 

[schnip]

i use 12 lb mono....

 

[hightechdecks]

same

 

[Luke]

Side cast until you learn more control. The Wallis will come with time, i can get 20 to 30 feet with a tiny 2.5 gram float now. A swivel above the float in addition to one below helps a ton with line twist I liked it so much that I kept it even after I started to Wallis. The nice part is that when the bows start to barrel roll during the fight I don't worry about twist.

 

[shuynh]

Side cast until you learn more control. The Wallis will come with time, i can get 20 to 30 feet with a tiny 2.5 gram float now. A swivel above the float in addition to one below helps a ton with line twist I liked it so much that I kept it even after I started to Wallis. The nice part is that when the bows start to barrel roll during the fight I don't worry about twist.

Very clever

 

[Spinninreel]

I learned the wallis cast fro the start. My recommendation is start with short little casts and work your way up to longer casts. A good point to remember is no to pull the line too hard, because this is where you end up with so many of those bird nests. When you practice your cast, watch your reel and keep your finger ready to stop the reel from spinning.

Hope this helps.

 

[shuynh]

I learned the wallis cast fro the start. My recommendation is start with short little casts and work your way up to longer casts. A good point to remember is no to pull the line too hard, because this is where you end up with so many of those bird nests. When you practice your cast, watch your reel and keep your finger ready to stop the reel from spinning.

Hope this helps.

Thanks spinningreel,
I've been lucky so far, haven't had major birdsnest yet. My problems, I'm left handed. The okuma DRII comes with a drag system, which if rigged properly is made for right handers. So I have to hold the rod with my right hand. So it quite a challenge to master the art of using my fingers to control the reel. I'll just have to keep on trying.
I must have watch that video a thousand times river, and a few others. Thanks

 

[Spinninreel]

Glad to be of some help.

 

[buck]

Thanks spinningreel,
I've been lucky so far, haven't had major birdsnest yet. My problems, I'm left handed. The okuma DRII comes with a drag system, which if rigged properly is made for right handers. So I have to hold the rod with my right hand. So it quite a challenge to master the art of using my fingers to control the reel. I'll just have to keep on trying.
I must have watch that video a thousand times river, and a few others. Thanks

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