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Pearls Before Swine

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It's a majestic river--idyllic, timeless, the kind you imagine in your dreams--broad and sweeping in places, roiling with hydraulic upsurges, deep eddies and enormous tail-out sections, and acres of riffles flanked by deep cut channels and glides. It's the kind of river that when in spate, during heavy rains and early season melt, can become a Leviathan (resembling naught its more sanguine and inviting state)--and in areas, the river's anger, Sisyphus-like, surges against large boulders to create six foot standing waves. But this is the kind of river that can produce all year long if you know how to fish this big water and are a good custodian of its inhabitants.


On one particular October outing conditions were prime, frankly sublime. Like most early mornings for steelheaders we try to beat the penetrating chill by climbing quickly into waders, boots, fleece and jackets--set up your rod & reel, rig up, and one last sip of coffee. I tried to shake off the chill while walking down to a pool I knew would be holding fish. Though I've painted a somewhat ideal tableaux, this river can also become subject to a frenzied frothing of water by a gauntlet of "anglers." Such were the conditions this day. I spent the first part of the morning sitting half way up a bank watching the predictable tumult punctuated by flashes of anger and cursing. The well-tested recipe to ensure such mayhem is to line a pool with bottom draggers (of the chuck & duck variety), hardware fishermen, float guys, and fly guys. I'm not judging their chosen methods only providing an account of what happens when some don't allow for a more courteous or generous sharing of a run or pool--not withstanding that particular methods are simply at odds with being able to mine a stretch of water simultaneously.

As morning warmed and the ire cooled crowds dissipated offering up the opportunity to fish stretches of water unmolested. At this time of the year fishing such a watershed is not for the faint of heart nor for a medium weight setup that is the standard kit for chasing steelhead. Be prepared for sore arms and lower back, and big fish that, if not tackle busting, certainly will push all your equipment and expertise to the limit. I have been spooled more than once here, felt the screaming dacron backing slice deeply into my finger, and on another occasion heard the loud retort of a gunshot that was my impotent eight pound leader parting--slam-dunked--courtesy of an airborne, football-shaped silver Coho.

The ominous steel-blue cloud cover of early morning is slowly pushed North by a favourable South breeze--it looks like a sinister knife slash severing darkness from the warm, raking light. Anglers downstream bathed in an amber light are set off as polychrome sculptures against the slate backdrop of weathered skies--it's the kind of light photographers call "the magic hour," normally a descriptor of the malleable honeyed light of late afternoon. An angler downstream calls out, "incoming!" Indeed, on this river you actually see pods of fish porpoising through heavy rapids making their way from pool to pool on their way to natal waters. Often the imprinting of natal waters and urge to spawn is so great you see these large fish plunge into pool and without pause glide out the top. There are occasions when these fish hit-and-run (like a locomotive); but just try to slow them down to cite them for leaving the scene of the crime.

Bathed in mellow light it begins to hail and rain simultaneously--a veritable smorgasbord for the senses! (In the old country we say "It's carnival in Hell.") I had tied on a #8 copper bead, pale-pink Estaz fly and made a short flip cast to the top of the pool, got hung up and with a slight flick of the rod tip dislodged the snag. While taking up the slack line my float and fly had already drifted to the end of the pool. It must have been then that a pod of fresh Kings slipped over the lower lip into the pool, because at the very moment I had lifted my rod tip to set another drift it felt as though my rod was slammed with a 2 x 4. There was an immediate frenzied explosion on the surface of the water, the rod throbbing uncontrollably, accompanied by desperate head-shakes--I have never before experienced what can only be called rage, by a fish who took his fight to me on the surface in such a tangle and froth that I felt dazed. The rod had almost been pulled from my hand, so violent was the take of my fly and so ferocious the initial struggle that I wasn't at all prepared for the blistering down stream run. Before I had the chance to gather myself the fish was deep into my backing--I had visions of this fish rocketing back to the lake trailing 300 meters of mono and backing. The line continues to melt from the reel as the fish slices diagonally downstream almost entangling a group of anglers; one of whom, having quickly gained an appreciation for the drama unfolding, reaches behind him, picks my line out of the water and deposits it in front of him. Several short, powerful rushes and the fish holds to gather itself--the pause accords me just enough time to wrap a double loop of dacron around my hand, point my rod directly at the fish, parallel with the water, hold fast, feel the line stretch and part. The line hangs limp, I stand in wonder and awe at the brute power of these fish and am glad he is to fight again, for another lucky angler, immured in the sublime of fishing salmonids in fast-flowing water on days such as these. The day was to see more action, some fish landed, sore arms, bruises, and a deepening appreciation for the majesty of these fish and their environs.


II

Whence the pearls and whence the swine then?​

It's time--weary, I leave the river. There's an informal stairway built into the face of the steep ravine. As I make my way up, the entire length of the traverse is littered with orange pearls, beautifully translucent, sumptuous orange orbs--salmon eggs. Squandered generations of Olympian fish I think to myself. I crest the ravine and come upon a butchery stall, a place where anglers have their kill filleted and bagged. This goes on all season--hundreds of fish every day. Of course I have created a convenient blind-spot while fishing--I often have to quell the disdain I feel for those whom it isn't enough to cull fish from a finite resource, but shamefully drag their fish from a rope over and through whatever terrain they are walking. (Perhaps, rather than devoting themselves to all things NASCAR, even a cursory read of Coles Notes on the Iliad, and the moral consequence for the "hero" who effectuates an indignity on the dead body of Hector by dragging him behind his chariot around the walls of Troy, might prove instructive.) There is something of a Lockean proviso operative here--that most Americans, some Canadians, people such as the Irvings and robber barons alike, claim an entitlement to what (through "effort" and "labour") they have taken from nature. It is quite like casting pearls before swine.

I have never acquired anything other than a conservation license and don't deny anyone their right to bring home their catch, though I would rather they didn't. It bears restating here that the fishery is a FINITE resource, and I would hope that this might necessitate a more profound meditation on what that really means. What it means for our children and their children--as the Crosby Stills song says "teach your children well…and feed them on your dreams."

The genesis of this brief report was, in part, the result of an antagonistic discussion on another forum (the subject of the remainder of this post) as well as some correspondence with the David Suzuki Foundation on the same topic (attached). I have fished the fly and float setup for over 30 years (in fact my first float reel was an old Pfleuger which I retrofitted as a centrepin) and have opted (whenever possible) for fishing imitations. There are times however when water clarity has prescribed using roe or roe alternatives--the pheromones providing the sophisticated olfactory organs of trout an inducement to take. Sometimes the hydraulic upsurges and tensions are such that one has to dispense with the delicate and stealth presentations and settle on a less savvy technique known as over-shotting to get one's bait down to the strike zone. The argument here is one of outsmarting nature (ironically, to be more "natural" than nature) and to delve deeply into your understanding of the art of angling.


Aside from the taking of fish, the taking of spawn is simply offensive and insupportable. It is all the more reprehensible when the angler has a choice in the matter and can research, with the click of a button, an immense archive. Steelhead will lay approximately 3,000-5,000 eggs, of that %10 may survive to the smolt stage and (under ideal conditions) we can expect up to ten adults to survive (not all spawners however). It is worth noting that steelhead are also iteroparous--that is to say they spawn more than once over their life-cycle. So even if one arrogates their action (the taking of fish for consumption) is ethical and sanctioned by Ministry guidelines, why must it be a hen, the progenitor of successive generations? It is through this particular fish (that has beaten the seemingly insurmountable odds to survive and then to spawn) that the genes of such survivability are expressed. It is extraordinary that through mere random selection this exquisite and healthy fish is here, in this pool, now--driven to continue the life cycle and pass on the genetic marker of successive healthy, multiple generations.

Having said that it is my contention, that fishing fora such as this and others have a custodial responsibility if not an interest in mentoring best practices and propagating greater appreciation of our resources. Not long ago a thread was posted at another discussion board by an "administrator" who took particular delight (and lauded by groupies of that forum) in having culled a hen and gutting her for her eggs. What is contemptible about this act is that he had landed several smaller bucks that morning, any of which would have sufficed for his smoker. As he said, "lucky for me, I had just run out of roe…I chunked her up for the smoker." I was left astonished--all I can do is leave you with the injunction to intercede when possible, and to consider the intrinsic value of leaving these fish unmolested. Let us leave a lasting legacy, one that can allow our children to realize THEIR dreams of chrome….




Hello Cornelius:
 
My name is John Werring.  I am a biologist and aquatic habitat specialist with the David Suzuki Foundation.  I am also an avid angler.
First off may I wish you a happy New Year.
I am responding to your November 19th query concerning federal and/or provincial policies regarding the sustainability of salmonids--in particular, policies regarding the gutting of fish for the purpose of obtaining eggs for "sport" fishing.
I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you but the Holiday season kind of got in the way.
I am assuming you are referring to the act where some fishers are catching fish, slicing their gut open and removing the roe (to be used for bait) and then releasing the rest of the fish still alive, dying or dead back into the water instead of keeping it for personal consumption.
I have heard of people undertaking this practice but I have not personally witnessed it.
Unfortunately there are no “policies” (that I know of) in place to deal with this kind of activity, as reprehensible as it may be.
That being said, the Pacific  Fishery Regulations promulgated under the federal Fisheries Act do contain a section (section 7.0) that reads:
“Subject to these Regulations, no person shall molest or injure fish.”
This prohibition is carried over into the British Columbia Sport Fishing Regulations as well.  The fine for molesting fish is $250.00,  The fine for injuring fish is $250.00.
 
I would think the practice of butchering a fish for its roe in the manner described would fall under either category.
 
The problem is that in order to take action against an individual under the law one for doing this one would have to hope that the offence is witnessed by a fishery officer or some other law enforcement official (provincial conservation officer, RCMP) – and the chances of that happening are slim to none these days -  or one witnessing such an event/activity would have to obtain evidence that an offense has been committed (photographic, video, written notes  - e.g. description of person , vehicle, vehicle license number, time of day, location, etc… ) and submit this evidence to a Fishery Officer for it to be investigated and prosecuted.
Without such evidence, enforcement officials would be loathe to investigate these incidents and even if they were provided with such evidence I feel that that the authorities would be reluctant to act on this evidence as they are under-manned and short on budget and have “other priorities”.
BTW … the relevant department to approach on this would be the federal department of Fisheries and Oceans and/or the provincial conservation officer service and unfortunately, unless you can find their offices they can often only be reached through an observe, record, report telephone line (this information can be found in the saltwater and freshwater fishing synopses) that is minimally staffed and rarely followed up on (I know ths from personal experience).
 
Perhaps if enough reports come from a certain area that suggests that the problem in that area is pervasive and ongoing, there might be some will to investigate but  I wouldn’t hold my breath on that.
The only other way really to deal with this situation would be through education.  By this I mean taking measures into one’s own hands and perhaps talking to the individual that is doing this and pointing out to them that it is illegal and immoral to do this and urge them to stop.  The problem with that as you well may know  is, one can potentially place oneself in harm’s way if the person one is confronting acts in an unfriendly or threatening manner.
I wish I could provide you with something more positive or helpful in this regard but unless the government comes up with the funds to ensure that fishing waters throughout the province are patrolled by fisheries officers on a regular basis, things like this are bound to continue occurring and the chances of the perpetrator(s) being caught are slim to none.
 
If you have any further questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact me directly.  My contact information is below.
 
Regards,
 
John Werring
Aquatic Habitat Specialist
Marine and Freshwater Conservation Program
 
Wow ChaseChrome did you write that? It's a wonderful piece of writing. Are you a professional writer? The message comes through loud and clear at the end too. Well said.
Too many people abuse our resources and as you say the resources are finite. It is very sad.
I have no children of my own, I just try to conserve for my fellow human.
It's sad that some people think the only reason to fish is to fill their table or bait bucket. Fish for the table can be purchased and so can bait. Artificial baits are so good who really needs real roe? Most of my Steelies are caught on yarn, spinners or worms. Can't even remember the last time I used real roe.
It's sad that I have to carry out the garbage others have left behind every time I go fishing.
It's sad that people don't just enjoy being out fishing, weather they catch one or not. There is scenery to enjoy, birds to watch maybe a beaver will swim by or a deer will come down to the water for a drink.
It's sad that fishing has become a competitive sport in many Great Lake tribs instead of just a good time with friends.
It's sad the way things have changed in the last 40 years, but on my day of reckoning I will be happy because I will know that I am a good person and did the best I could.

Alfie.
 
Wow ChaseChrome did you write that? It's a wonderful piece of writing. Are you a professional writer? The message comes through loud and clear at the end too. Well said.
Too many people abuse our resources and as you say the resources are finite. It is very sad.
I have no children of my own, I just try to conserve for my fellow human.
It's sad that some people think the only reason to fish is to fill their table or bait bucket. Fish for the table can be purchased and so can bait. Artificial baits are so good who really needs real roe? Most of my Steelies are caught on yarn, spinners or worms. Can't even remember the last time I used real roe.
It's sad that I have to carry out the garbage others have left behind every time I go fishing.
It's sad that people don't just enjoy being out fishing, weather they catch one or not. There is scenery to enjoy, birds to watch maybe a beaver will swim by or a deer will come down to the water for a drink.
It's sad that fishing has become a competitive sport in many Great Lake tribs instead of just a good time with friends.
It's sad the way things have changed in the last 40 years, but on my day of reckoning I will be happy because I will know that I am a good person and did the best I could.

Alfie.
Well said Cornelius !!! Equally well said Alfie !!
I know a few people who are egg stalkers and feel they won't do as well if not for harvesting eggs from be it salmon or trout .
I've tried in vain to educate them on the use of immitation baits and they have seen me out fish them with such a bait , but they remain stubborn . They also believe that roe should be soft and therefore NOT cured in any way except a quick dunk in the river . So they need more roe than the average guy because after a few drifts the eggs turn white and they are discarded . Fishheads offers a solution to egg harvesters by selling " cured salmon and trout roe " aquired from fish farms . All the work is done for you except tying them up .
Cornelius IS an author and a professional photographer . I read your welcome to the forum intro , a talented individual we have here .
I look forward to more informative reads in the future .
 
I cannot wait to see what kind of fire this starts. You're an amazing writer CC. Although I don't agree with all of what you said, it's still very informative and clever. If you're as good at drifting as you are with words, then steelies beware!
 
side from the taking of fish, the taking of spawn is simply offensive and insupportable.

What really bugs me is taking roe and leaving the fish on the shore or using it as fertilizer. Apparently its not illegal but it definitely should be.
 
Well said CC!


I really respect your opinion and expression of it.

Some very Valid points have been stated rather eloquently.

Thank you!




Firstly, i will go on the "record" and say that for the past several years ... I DO keep (2) Salmon a year for their roe.

- never BROWNS or RAINBOWS



These (2) hens come from either a STOCKED: east or west Lake Ontario Trib.

This year ... One salmon was from the Ganny and the other was already dead - found in the Humber.



I am a FIRM BELIEVER of "CATCH and RELEASE" and promoter of this within the sport fishing community.

This would relsolve all issues of roe harvesting.

I would have no problem .... purchasing ROE from a licensed supplier (Farm Roe).



In the meantime (Until the REGULATIONS CHANGE) ... without sounding "contradictory" this is my outlook:


Although it is a SHAME and PATHETIC to see the absolute skinning and rape of the salmon at places like: Wilmot, Credit, Humber, Ganny ...

At least there are CONTIUNUAL restocking(s) .... and with a "Conservationist" (minimal approach and respect) I personally do not see GREAT HARM to the fisheries (of these STOCKED Tribs) if Everyone at least did things within regulations and properly. Course the shame is that this is not happening ... thus why I also promote CATCH & RELEASE being mandated within the regulations.


Seeing the ROE HARVESTING on smaller tribs and rivers that do not have any real renewals (Mostly Wild Stocks) is SUPER HEART BREAKING!

How "Fishermen" can not even understand that they do not have any STOCKING RENEWAL and yet they still take home their thophies (Male and Female) ... to eat or for roe or to mount ... whats the difference? just sad.



Anyway ..... I personally have seen lots of Steelies (And Browns) taken on NON ROE offerings and am adjusting more of my own techiques to match this.




PS:

not to differ the onus of resposibility and "Control" away from us "River fishermen".... but we should never forget what happens 4-5 months of the year out on the LAKES with the CHARTER INDUSTRY. For every "Salmon Infraction" you see on a river in SEPT/OCT there are 100 times that going on a daily basis out there on the lake (pre-spawn).


Doesnt justify any of it .... but it really is a shame that it gets "OVERLOOKED" on a regular basis.
 
Well said CC!


I really respect your opinion and expression of it.
Some very Valid points have been stated rather eloquently.
Thank you!


Firstly, i will go on the "record" and say that for the past several years ... I DO keep (2) Salmon a year for their roe.
- never BROWNS or RAINBOWS
These (2) hens come from either a STOCKED: east or west Lake Ontario Trib.
This year ... One salmon was from the Ganny and the other was already dead - found in the Humber.
Anyway ..... I personally have seen lots of Steelies (And Browns) taken on NON ROE offerings and am adjusting more of my own techiques to match this.

PS:
not to differ the onus of resposibility and "Control" away from us "River fishermen".... but we should never forget what happens 4-5 months of the year out on the LAKES with the CHARTER INDUSTRY. For every "Salmon Infraction" you see on a river in SEPT/OCT there are 100 times that going on a daily basis out there on the lake (pre-spawn).
Doesnt justify any of it .... but it really is a shame that it gets "OVERLOOKED" on a regular basis.

On being asked why he was walking among the hawker's stalls with a lantern Diogenes said "I'm looking for an honest man..."
Good for you Blair!!
 
I always enjoy a double C write up, even though I need to have dictionary.com open half the time.

Again, super read.

I myself am catch and release, but I will keep fish, and yes, for the roe and meat. The salmon meat goes to a gentleman who sees the meat as a gift from us, because he knows the price of salmon /lb. This year, in terms of salmon, between the three of us, a total of two fish were kept. As for rainbows, 3 fish were kept. The fish came from Huron and kept for meat for the smoker and roe. And that is for 3 anglers. Some will say OMG YOU KILLED RAINBOWS, and I will respond, yes I did. In fact, with a knife, at the river bank. Does that make me a bad man? In some peoples views yes, others no. One thing for sure is that I do not over due the harvesting of fish, and nothing is wasted. I carry with me quite an extensive arsenal of dfferent baits for these bloody fish. Everything from tiny black wooly buggers, to large streamers, to beads, to plastics, etc. Heck, I'm the guy fshing with kwikfish on the pin ;) The thing is, I like to be prepared, and ready for which ever bite is happenng the day I'm on the river. Most of my days on the river, I will go through 5 bags of roe, the rest being artificials. Same goes for my fishng partners, but darn, that roe is something, its hard to fish without it sometimes.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with keeping fish. Go up north and tell the locals that you have a problem with them keeping fish. I do however have an issue, especially during the salmon run, seeing the zippered fish. That just lets the next people who don't know any better, give them the idea that it is in fact okay to do just that. And it continues from there. Heck, I remeber last year, on a "well respected" float fishing specific ( hmmm, wonder what site that is ) forum, one group of known " centerpin professionals" was under heavy suspicion for the slaughter and zipperng of 5 or so salmon, but the poster out of respect, ddn't gve out any information, but had mentioned he was almost certain it was them.

Do your part! Don't over harvest, take part in local volunteering groups associated with the fishery, I know theres a lot of them happening around our area, and educate! Try to inform. Sadly it is very hard to do that here in Toronto, especially during the salmon run. Lets face it, a lot of these so called "loogans" fish for meat, for food. I don't have an appetite for black boots with white fuzzed out tail fried on the pan, but hey, thats not the issue here. Look, a huge salmon, snagged or professionally flossed ( :twisted: ) contains a lot of edible ( some people have lower standards ) meat for one family. If we told those people, that the black salmon has rotting meat, and that they only want to catch the silver ones, darn, the fishery would do so much better! "Black feeesh is bad, no good meeeet. Seeeeelver fresh fish, goood meeeeeeet" How the hell are they going to catch a silver fish, when all they can see is boot? Salmon will sucessfully spawn!

If you see illegal activity, record on camera, note the license plates and get these people busted, or at least try to. After a couple penalties people can change the way they operate. To many times I bet, people just dont care to do anything about it! We cleaned up a setion of river last year, one guy, ONE guy out of how ever many so called "educated centerpin experts" had the decency to say thank you, the rest looked on and continued fishing, that day, we removed somethng like 15 full bags of trash out of Wilmot, CN and mouth only!

And just as Blair stated, again Blair, wicked post as always (thumbsup) The river certainly takes its toll on the numbers but we cannot forget about what happens out in the blue. From what I've gathered, most of the charters wll push for you to keep fish when you go out into the lake, its a lot of stress to the fish apparently to be caught in the open lake and the survival rate isn't high ( can someone back this up, or is has smoking really affected my memory? ). And the limit out in the lake is 5? Multply that by 3 anglers in the boat, all limiting out I'm sure.

Dynamic equilibrium and everythings kosher.

Oh by the way, headed out today for some fishing, water was brown, high and fast, local eastern trib. Foot of vis. Big, smelly roe bags with pink worm had three strikes and 1 fish landed.

EDIT: I have particular beef with 24/7 chummers. I think its raping nature regardless of how you obtain your roe to be throwing it out into the water every hour on the hour for the entire day. darn, at that point you are someone who needs to have a double digit day to be happy with fishing and in my books, retarded. Start playng video games and stay away from the fish.
 
Good effort Dozer.
I am in accord with criticism of the "blue" though I never go out there myself (others will likely have more expertise than I).

Though there are many reasons people keep fish there can be no reason for taking spawn-period. Even if one suggests that it is only a fish or two--multiply that by the thousands of fisherman on the water...(and some will even take multiple fish on successive trips)

A brief aside: some years ago I hired a great guide on the St. Mary's (my first outing there)--BEAUTIFUL stretch of water. No more slippery rocks anywhere in the province I think. I understood that the run of steelhead there numbers in the several thousand (THAT'S NOT MUCH). The locals make daily trips to limit out and take home. "Why," I asked one of them; he responded saying.....wait for it.........."they're great! breaded and fried!"

NUFF SAID

This is entirely beside the point but equally vexing: on that same outing there was another well-known guide who proceeded to guide his clients to cast the redd where we had seen a big hen rolling for a good part of the morning. Now we were parked downstream a ways picking off all the males coming upstream to vie for spawning rights. Everyone could have been into fish all day, but these guys did hook up with the hen, butchered her, and that was it for the action for the reminder of the day. Everything is not necessarily as it seems or AS IT SHOULD BE....

I'm sure there are some mathematicians out there that can generate a formal of actual losses to the system (the actual number of generations lost to the cull). For my part I try to live lightly on the planet.

But that's just me.

Thanks Dozerman (leave your camera in the car again??????) :oops: :oops: :oops:
 
I take my share of roe as well. Like dozer said, I carry a vast array of angling aresenal, and this was just within the last two years or so when I expanded my horizon, "what do you mean bows will bight something other then roe?!" I'm still young and still learning.
In my and others defense, and maybe not much a rebuttal, but statement on my behalf none the less. I could make the obvious observations. Rainbow, browns and all pacific salmon were introduced into our lakes and rivers as a sport fishery. A non native species, extremely heavily stocked not for an experiment (although it may have started as one) but for a source of economy, and recreation. The levels of returning fish that were stalked are equal or significantly greater then that of "wild" fish. I'm sure this fluctuates depending on The water body. The more pressure, the more stockers.
I'm not justifying raping the fishery because they're aliens, just simply stating the fact that our salmonoids are kept to these amazing levels because of us. It's like the deer population problem in Muskoka a couple of years back, we as hunters help to keep the herds at healthy levels, and that's why so many doe tags are issued for my area. The MNR and there biologists are a lot smarter then 99% of us.
On a final note, (I'm writing with my iPhone and it's taking forever I'm sure I could write a short story about this.) I take pride in my fish, and in all honesty and bluntness, I take pride in my roe. It's like tying flies, I sit at my bar, thaw some eggs, look at them and say, "those should work awesome!" I get six or seven different colors of mesh out, lay out some on a tray and start tying. Its like a heroin addict smoking a joint, it's not going to get me my fix, but at least it's something. I don't judge any anglers on there methods, unless they're snagging, littering, redding or just being rude and ignorant, so I just ask, on behalf of the countless different strategists, anglers and river gods alike, hear me, like I hear you. Dont stick your nose up (not referring to anyone here) on someones methods, ignorant or not.
 
Dub C,

I can see where you are coming from. Yes, when I am asked to bring a fish home, I do selectively pick the females. I dont order from the internet, sure if I had money laying around, I wouldn't have to slay females. I'm not as conservation as I thought, I guess :blink: I'm sure that you think differently, but hey, thats the way it is. My "footprint" is very minimal, I'm sure of that, from what I've heard and from what I see ( not comparing myself to artificial only fishermen ). I'm not saying that just to justify my way of thinking either.

Can I fish without roe, sure I could. Do I want to fish without roe, no. Its very effective. Will my methods of obtaining roe change, maybe.

Am I affecting the population, sure, very little I would like to think.
 
i'm in the gray zone also.....i keep my share of fish in the fall for bait and the smoker (browns and bows inclusive), but release around 80%. i chum but only with roe that has gone soupy and excessively unstable, and once i have enough good stuff its c and r. spring time i use fakes way more than fall. GTA anglers seem to be way more conservation minded than GB and Huron guys one guy from our local trib freaks out at me for talking on here then turns around and kills every 10lb hen he catches very rarely you see a fish released around here. when i am deciding to harvest a fish i try to guage the genetic quality of it before putting the blade to it. whats all this hype about big hens about big males are important to the fishery also. if you wanna kill kill the clones, maybe a slot size on rainbow and brown trout would be beneficial.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping a occasional fish, but I do have a problem with keeping your legal limit. I think the law needs to change on what is the allowable limit on these fish. In the same way that there is a size limit with walleye, where fish over a certain size cannot be kept, the same needs to be introduced to steelhead and salmon.
 
CC the St Marys is an absolutely beautiful place to fish and I agree with you about those rocks. LOL.
I'm not talking about everyone who fishes there right now cause there are those you describe who harvest prime hens for their roe and meat. And I will not defend them one bit.
I travel to the Soo a few times each year, I know people up there that I fish with. They are mostly natives ( hope I'm not getting on ice that is too thin here. ) I of course can't speak for all of the Soo, but a lot of natives up there are unfortunately unemployed or poor. These guys do fish for there limit to feed their families, but are also good conservationists in their way. Any female they catch is quickly released, they know she is the start of future generations and that 1 male can fertilize a number of redds.
They also respect that I am a C & R fisherman and when I release a nice buck all I usually hear is " nice fish. "

Alfie.
 
CC the St Marys is an absolutely beautiful place to fish and I agree with you about those rocks. LOL.
I'm not talking about everyone who fishes there right now cause there are those you describe who harvest prime hens for their roe and meat. And I will not defend them one bit.
I travel to the Soo a few times each year, I know people up there that I fish with. They are mostly natives ( hope I'm not getting on ice that is too thin here. ) I of course can't speak for all of the Soo, but a lot of natives up there are unfortunately unemployed or poor. These guys do fish for there limit to feed their families, but are also good conservationists in their way. Any female they catch is quickly released, they know she is the start of future generations and that 1 male can fertilize a number of redds.
They also respect that I am a C & R fisherman and when I release a nice buck all I usually hear is " nice fish. "

Alfie.

Hey Alfie--nope, I certainly wasn't referring to first nations.
Gotta say though, those St. Mary's steelhead are pound for pound stronger than anything in these parts...wow..they are hard, healthy fish
 
In reference to the Great Lakes fishing.
I was a regular , yearly participant in the " Toronto Star Great Salmon Hunt " . My buddy and I would venture out in his 16 foot Gruman aluminum boat with a 25hp Yammy . We had a two downrigger set up ( manual ) and usually launched at Humber Bay Park because there was alot less traffic there . We would usually head east toward the island and fish at 80 - 100 feet of water . We would keep tabs on the weigh in stations for what the leaders were entering . Pretty much , if the fish was 33 lbs. or better , it was worth killing it to weigh it in . If it was under weight we would take the time to revive them and send them back . One such day fishing off the island , we were at 110 feet of water downrigger set at 80 feet , I had a silver prism Croc on about 4 inches long . My rod went off and 30 minutes later , we boated a 35 lb. hen Chinook and booted it to Humber Bay Park . Left the boat with his girlfriend and into the truck to get to a weigh station at Port Credit Marina . By the time the weigh station opened the fish had lost most of it's water weight and officially weighed in at 33.24 lbs. To our credit , " biggest fish of the day " and 11 th. place for the week = $ 800.00 in prizes .
Now for the Charter Boats , most did not release fish because there was a draw ticket option , ANY Chinook entered was eligible for a draw ticket . So your charters would come in with 4 - 6 guys per boat ( Salmon Hunt ticket included with charter ) and empty the coolers with 8 lb. - 20 lb. fish to be weighed and then they would paper punch the gill plate so it wouldn't be weighed again . Then what , well all I can say , some did take the fish with them . The vast majority however simply got the draw ticket and dumped the whole dead fish into the trash cans . You can imagine how many fish were dumped during the course of the " Hunt " , at 5 fish per participant , 4-6 people per boat . Then there were the regular guys out , like us , some were out for the BIG one , but most would take back whatever they caught , weigh it , take out the skeins and dump it . It was regular practice connected to the derby .
 
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