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I would gladly pay the prices that they pay in bc and even pay extra for specific game fish like salmon and steal head if our ministry would have 8-10 officers per division and really amp ip the stocking program and do it right none of this bs dumping 20,000 fingerlings 2 miles off shore that will never have the sense of homing to spawn in a river but that's another topic
 
Brian said:
This is always such a controversial topic.
I have a Sport fishing license which allows me to fish and keep a number of my catches, should I desire to do so. This year I kept a few perch and 1 pickerel, I released hundreds of other fishes, and I killed a number of gobies.

While I may be a "95% C&R angler", I think it is wrong...no...it is UNETHICAL, to impose your values and beliefs onto everyone.
If someone wants to keep a fish that they caught legally, then they are within their rights to do so.

As long as everyone is within their limits legally, then they should not be persecuted by anyone.
To each his own...
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hammercarp said:
My feelings on C&R .
As long as someone is fishing legally , there is no moral or ethical reason why they should not eat the fish they catch. We eat the things that grow on this planet. That is the way it works. People that claim a higher set of morals and ethics by practicing fanatical C&R standards are just fooling them selves. Playing with your food is just that.
Are any of you aware that in Switzerland they have a canton ( a state or province ) where C&R fishing is illegal. They have a perfectly logical and ethical reason for this. If you are going to stick a hook in a creatures mouth and drag it struggling from it's environment into one that is ultimately fatal for the fish, the only moral and ethical reason for doing so, is that you are going to eat it.
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Brian said:
This is always such a controversial topic.
I have a Sport fishing license which allows me to fish and keep a number of my catches, should I desire to do so. This year I kept a few perch and 1 pickerel, I released hundreds of other fishes, and I killed a number of gobies.

While I may be a "95% C&R angler", I think it is wrong...no...it is UNETHICAL, to impose your values and beliefs onto everyone.
If someone wants to keep a fish that they caught legally, then they are within their rights to do so.

As long as everyone is within their limits legally, then they should not be persecuted by anyone.
To each his own...
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Spot on
 
I do want to apologize for my comment earlier which was deleted by an admin, I just want to say I am getting a little fed up with certain comments being directed to me by constantino and think he needs to chill. Let it get the better of me. As for what Brian said, well, really that was spot on and could not have said it better.
 
just my honest opinion, most wont care any way lol

I sometimes like to keep my fare share of fish. Of course lawfully abiding by the rules and regulations set out by the MNR. (IE white fish from Lake Simcoe, steelhead from the shores of Georgian bay, walleye from the kawarthas, smelt from the Muskokas, you get the point) However, I would be in total support of a Ontario wide catch and release policy if it was ever implemented by the MNR. In fact, I would vote for it or support legislation of it if it came down to that. Even if it was over a certain period of time to let the dwindling stocks of fish at least "try" to bounce back to a more natural , sustainable level. It would definitly have its advantages and disadvantages ,but, i think the good would definitely outweigh the bad in the long run. And isn't that what we are after, fish for our sons, daughters, grandchildren to enjoy ????
 
Constantino said:
I guess this post was pointless . Why is it though the people on this forum who are in my demographic understand what I said about our fishery being on a downward spiral. And anyone under the age of thirty still feels its a mnr issue and we need better regs. Or we have plenty up north. I wonder what nit wit at the mnr thought that ice fishing on the kawarthas was a solid idea.
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just something that id imagine you've been told before. you do not know everything! almost all people who work for the mnr have university degree's in biology some even have there PHD. do you really feel that your ignorant opinion is superior to that of a hundreds of people who's job is researching, monitoring and policing our rivers? your original post is offensive, if some one legally angles a fish they have the right to keep it! are you aware that some people feed their family's with the fish they catch? if your so damn perfect why are you taking a metal shank ripping it as hard as you can into a fish that is trying to spawn for the future of our already depleting fishery, then you fight it to the point of exhaustion and toss it back in the river only to do the same to another spawning fish?
 
Wow this is out of hand really we all have differences I how we fish but some of the stuff said here is just down right stupid I myself release everything I catch that's my belief but if you want to keep something the law states you can that it does that make what I do right sure. Does that make what you do right yes but will we ever get along probably not but let's keep the insults and slander down
 
I was just pissed the guy named the post after me and references me mounting my fish lol. Getting old hearing all of his comments about me.
 
I have spent 20 years as a field biologist if someone like me tells you it's a dangerous game were playing. Your getting the unvarnished truth based on fact. It's like a fireman telling you playing with matches on a gas fire is dangerous .Do I know everything . My job is such that what ever I discover in field testing today the implications of those findings won't be known for at least 10 years down the road. But I wouldn't call it an educated guess?
 
riverhugger said:
I don't think MNR guys need a warrant do they?
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nada, the mnr does not need a permit as long as its a valid reason for entry, ie they've been told you have 20 salmon in your fridge, is a good point, they're hungry and need food isnt lol
 
ChasinTails said:
nada, the mnr does not need a permit as long as its a valid reason for entry, ie they've been told you have 20 salmon in your fridge, is a good point, they're hungry and need food isnt lol
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Absolutely wrong. They need a warrant to search your home just like the police do. You are protected by our charter of rights from unreasonable search and seizure. This is federal law. Federal law supersedes provincial law. They can search your camp , cottage or vehicle without a warrant not your principle residence.
 
hammercarp said:
Absolutely wrong. They need a warrant to search your home just like the police do. You are protected by our charter of rights from unreasonable search and seizure. This is federal law. Federal law supersedes provincial law. They can search your camp , cottage or vehicle without a warrant not your principle residence.
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Doesn't actually seem that specific (unless I'm reading this incorrectly).
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/LetsFish/2ColumnSubPage/STEL02_165339.html
 
hammercarp said:
Absolutely wrong. They need a warrant to search your home just like the police do. You are protected by our charter of rights from unreasonable search and seizure. This is federal law. Federal law supersedes provincial law. They can search your camp , cottage or vehicle without a warrant not your principle residence.
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i was told by a co and a cop that a cop needs a warrant for private property searches not a co for immediate attention
 
Look, your not seriously thinking that if the police need a warrant to search your residence in a drug trafficking or murder investigation and a CO does not because they think you have one over your possession limit in your freezer you need to give your head a shake. This is the last I have to say about this.
 
Mnr officer has more authority than police and they DO NOT need a warrant if they have reasonable doubt they can search every thing you own car,house ,garage, exc
 
steelhead101 said:
just something that id imagine you've been told before. you do not know everything! almost all people who work for the mnr have university degree's in biology some even have there PHD. do you really feel that your ignorant opinion is superior to that of a hundreds of people who's job is researching, monitoring and policing our rivers? your original post is offensive, if some one legally angles a fish they have the right to keep it! are you aware that some people feed their family's with the fish they catch? if your so darn perfect why are you taking a metal shank ripping it as hard as you can into a fish that is trying to spawn for the future of our already depleting fishery, then you fight it to the point of exhaustion and toss it back in the river only to do the same to another spawning fish?
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Call me skeptical but I feel like if all fish were released it could only have a positive effect on fish stocks... even if a certain percentage of C&R fish die its still a higher rate of survival then taking the fish home.
 
It is actually fact that if a Police Officer has probable cause they can enter a house. If the MNR wants to enter a house based off of probable cause then he or she can also enter. There are boundaries that are specifics but I do not know them off by hand. As for my first statement though I know I am 100 percent correct.
 

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