No kill zones on the Credit and Grand

[Alfiegee]

This has to be completely hypothetical. Fly fishing on the upper Credit with barbless hooks a 20 inch Speck is hooked and brought in. It is hooked in the gills and bleeding profusely. Attempts to revive the fish unfortunately fail. What is one to do?
It is illegal to keep the fish, but also illegal to abandon it or allow it to spoil.
Hypothetically I hid the fish and headed out of there.
Musky are a very hardy fish and if you catch one with a conservation license and aren't allowed to keep it chances are it will swim away. Specks are a very delicate fish, if they are bleeding chances are very slim they will survive.
What would you guys do?

Alfie.

 

[jc53]

Same reply as you got on ofn you mtust release no matter.

 

[Alfiegee]

Same reply as you got on ofn you mtust release no matter.

How do you release a dead fish?

Alfie.

 

[float^drifter]

just put her back in the water, i don't think your suppose to hide it . If u get caught ticket right on the spot, now u can argue your case but thats the rules.

 

[Alfiegee]

I just phoned the MNR. I was told that, that is a very grey area. It would be up to a C.O. if charges were to be laid.
If the hypothetical fish was mortally wounded. Legally I should have let the hypothetical fish float away and become turtle food.
What a waste of a speck I say.

Alfie.

 

[salmotrutta]

20 inch speck? Nice!

 

[grubman]

If you run into the wrong C.O. you're going to get nailed either way. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

I would put it back knowing it was going to die, just following the reg.

 

[Alfiegee]

If you run into the wrong C.O. you're going to get nailed either way. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

I would put it back knowing it was going to die, just following the reg.

Hypothetically, I kept it. Maybe a turtle would have enjoyed it more, but I don't think so. Specks taste so good.

Alfie.

 

[Dilligaf0220]

What a waste of a speck I say.

There's a solution to that, don't fish in no-kill zones.

If you don't like the rules for a very small part of a very large watershed, don't fish there.
What it is a waste of is the C&R the half dozen other anglers that released the fish in it's life.

 

[Alfiegee]

There's a solution to that, don't fish in no-kill zones.

If you don't like the rules for a very small part of a very large watershed, don't fish there.
What it is a waste of is the C&R the half dozen other anglers that released the fish in it's life.

Of course you're kidding. You are telling me not to fish in a prime fishing area. There;s not many places to fish specks in southern ont. left.
Sorry but you are stupid when it comes to trout and no kill zones. You obviously don't know trout fishing.

Alfie.

 

[gshink]

Of course you're kidding. You are telling me not to fish in a prime fishing area. There;s not many places to fish specks in southern ont. left.
Sorry but you are stupid when it comes to trout and no kill zones. You obviously don't know trout fishing.

Alfie.

That was a logical response to a hypothetical question. It seems like you had your mind made up already. If that is that case why ask for input, and why insult when someone gives a perfectly reasonable response?

 

[LICENSETOPIN]

I agree with Dilligaf, if you dont want to risk mortally wounding a speck on the credit then go to one of hundreds of lakes close enough that are stocked with them.
Seems like you need to learn more about trout fishing yourself if u think credit n grand are the ony rivers left with specks... whoops. :roll:

 

[Alfiegee]

I agree with Dilligaf, if you dont want to risk mortally wounding a speck on the credit then go to one of hundreds of lakes close enough that are stocked with them.
Seems like you need to learn more about trout fishing yourself if u think credit n grand are the ony rivers left with specks... whoops. :roll:

Far as I know the Grand doesn't contain any specks, the water is far to warm. Lakes stocked with specks? and you are saying I need to learn about trout fishing. Lmfao.
Mortally wounding specks is actually part of the game as they are such an aggressive fish and it's hard to avoid once in a while. I'm surprised that I have fished the " no kill zone" for so long with out any dieing and I'm talking about 100's of fish maybe 1000's.

Alfie

 

[ret0dd]

Can't you just cut your line and leave the hook in there mouth? Im pretty sure the hook will disintegrate or eventually fall out

 

[Alfiegee]

Can't you just cut your line and leave the hook in there mouth? Im pretty sure the hook will disintegrate or eventually fall out

Yeah just not sure if the hook will disintegrate faster than a dead fish will rot.

Alfie.

 

[Dilligaf0220]

Sorry you didn't get a cookie, pat on the head and someone to tell you "it's alright".

It's a solitary life being a poacher, you are obviously not suited for it.

 

[Alfiegee]

Sorry you didn't get a cookie, pat on the head and someone to tell you "it's alright".

It's a solitary life being a poacher, you are obviously not suited for it.

Is that supposed to mean anything? Pay attention to what goes on around you.
My whole point is that I would not want to waste a precious brookie when they have become so rare around here.
And no I am not a poacher of any type and never will be I release 99% of the fish that I catch. The only ones I keep are those that will not survive. like those that are bleeding profusely from their gills.

Alfie.

 

[gshink]

You want everyone to tell you that you did the right thing, and that it is better to keep a badly hooked fish than release it. What you hypothetically did was poaching, whether you agree or not. That fish could have decayed and been consumed by animals in the ecosystem, instead you hypothetically chose to keep it. There is not need to use hypothetical situations, you did the wrong thing...learn from it and move on. Or don't and continue to prove that you are an a$$.

 

[punkrockerpj]

harsh words shared here mates...
in all respect, a no kill zone is a no kill zone. it doesn't mean no fishing, it means no taking, regardless.
releasing a wounded fish does not really count as spoiling in my books. wounded animals are eaten all the time by other predators and scavengers. it's the way our eco system works.
i think since you've already said it's a rare fish, it might constitute the reason for it being a no kill zone. we've already messed with the eco system enough, it might be best to allow the eco system to do what it was designed to do...

i'm not going to call alfie a poacher, but i would say it's good to live and learn from mistakes. even with a fish that's bleeding from the gills, a CO would see no difference. releasing it to be eaten by a turtle which may be just as rare would satisfy my conscience... but not my stomach. i'd use that as my filter.

 

[gshink]

I think the issue here is that Alfie asked a question, and when he was given answers that he did not like he acted like an a$$hat. He has asked the same question on other forums the topic was locked, as it was predictable that this thread would go south.
It has been established that you must return any fish caught in a no kill zone regardless of whether it will survive or not. If you do not you are technically poaching. If you are the type of person who will keep fish if they are badly hurt, than you should not be fishing in a no kill zone. There is nothing wrong with keeping fish for the table, there is something wrong with keeping a fish in a no kill zone.
Having said this the situation was purely hypothetical. Hopefully Alfie will never have to deal with this situation, and if he does he will know what the regulations say he should do. Whether he will follow the regulations is another questions altogether.